20mph online petition

[jeepster]

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Am I the remaining lefty ?
Didn't know it was a political thing especially given that the proposal was widely supported by the 3 main parties.
ARTD is only getting involved as he's seen it as a way of political point scoring against Mark Drakeford.

ARTD is a big turd in the Tory swamp

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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ARTD is a big turd in the Tory swamp

He's a sweating red faced farmer

[cyril evans awaydays]

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You’re answering yourself

Ah, the old forgot to log out to agree with myself error!

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

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I fear for the state of your car if you're doing 20 in 4th.

Go back to your physics teacher.

Mine, which is a 1.6, seems to be happiest at 22mph in 3rd so that's what I'm using. What's 2mph between friends? I could definitely do 20mph in 4th so long as I was going downhill. On the flat, not so much

[LeningradCowboy]

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The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

[jimmyscoular]

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I'd stick with the 20 if Drippy retired instead, but signed again.

Have people stopped listening to Tufty?

[TWGL1]

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The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

I wonder if Lynn Global miscalculated this one

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

Lobby Plaid Cymru to stand up to the 20mph limit then. They're the only party that could affect Labour.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Its hardly causing a nightmare.

Don't know what the fuss is.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I've been looking again at the Welsh Government's own spreadsheets on accident data from 2021 and 2022. Feel free to download them from https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...ent-Level-Data

2022 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2021 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 3.
2020 - lockdown
2019 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2018 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.

I haven't researched them all, but one accident in 2022 was in the Gower where a car drove into a petrol station where, I'm pretty sure, a reduction in speed wouldn't have made any difference.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Lobby Plaid Cymru to stand up to the 20mph limit then. They're the only party that could affect Labour.

I don't want that lot in , I hope labour themselves row back

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Since 2018 there have been 14 accidents on 30mph speed limit roads that have resulted in fatalities or serious injury. Oddly, 5 of those were in 2020 when we were in Covid lockdown. 2 of those 14 accidents occured during working hours, Mon-Fri between 9-5. 9 of the 14 accidents occured after 9pm and before 6pm, when it is dark.

[Rjk]

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I've been looking again at the Welsh Government's own spreadsheets on accident data from 2021 and 2022. Feel free to download them from https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...ent-Level-Data

2022 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2021 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 3.
2020 - lockdown
2019 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2018 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.

I haven't researched them all, but one accident in 2022 was in the Gower where a car drove into a petrol station where, I'm pretty sure, a reduction in speed wouldn't have made any difference.

that data seems completely at odds with this data I've found , also from the Welsh government...

which is correct?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.gov.wales/sites/default/files/statistics-and-research/2023-06/reported-road-casualties-2022-681.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjh_KCg4LeBAxWsTUEAHcRFC7IQFnoECBEQBg&usg=AOvVaw27htt6TDUMTc296MCFc8U1

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[Dave Blue]

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I don't want that lot in , I hope labour themselves row back

I asked yesterday who would prosper from this policy. It’s not PC as they support it. It won’t be the Tories because they are toxic. It will be a non story in 2 weeks thank God.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I asked yesterday who would prosper from this policy. It’s not PC as they support it. It won’t be the Tories because they are toxic. It will be a non story in 2 weeks thank God.

I hope so but I think it's a daft policy and just gives the Tories a foot in the door