20mph online petition

[Rontomuk]

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I’m not sure what proportion of the 3.2 Million are adults or even drivers
But if it’s around 1.5 Million, then 20% of the electorate have signed a petition to raise their concerns about the idea or the way it’s being introduced.

Whatever way you slice it and dice it, to me it demonstrates that WAG has either totally underestimated the feelings of the electorate, or haven’t done enough work to sell the idea properly
and that just comes across as arrogance on their part.

That is a good point, in the December 2021 election there was 2,307877 people registered to vote, of those only 47% voted, that would bring the total number who voted to approx 1,800000, leaving the percentage of the people who signed the petition to around 17% and increasing every minute, just checked it now stands at over 306000

[Rjk]

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I don't think the petition will change Mark Drakefords mind. What could though, is if a few MS's start raising concerns, if their constituents pressurise them to do so.

give it a few weeks and everyone will have gotten used to it and moved on with their lives.

the idiots who are currently out there driving at 20 in a 30 zone or higher will have also worked out what's what by then too

[JamesWales]

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Whatever people say about petitions, there is no doubt that this is a huge one, by far the largest in the senedd's history and one that if applied across the UK would amount to some 6m signatories. That one trying to reverse Brexit the day after the vote got to 4m from recollection.

It's pretty significant and Labour would be foolish to ignore it.

I think we'll see some rowing back of it all, the return to 30 on several key urban roads and people will largely ignore it going forward, so all sides will take something from it

[jon1959]

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I don't know if you're on a wind up and your posts are a massive wooosh for me and if that's the case, hats off to you

Surely he can’t not be on a wind up?

That would mean he believes what he posts - and no one can be that dense, or obsessed, or incontinent.

[dandywarhol]

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Not sure if this hs already been posted.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/tory-politicians-lambasting-20mph-limit-27480524

[LeningradCowboy]

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A lot of the time on my route around Cardiff above 20 was a treat anyway.

What I most dislike is the mess they made of the roll out. It's like they chose which roads to keep 30 based on throwing darts at a map.

That or they still haven't taken down most of the 30 signs.

Shambles.

Quite a few 30 signs still up around Penylan and Roath on roads that I'm pretty sure are supposed to be 20.

[dml1954]

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Stop being pedantic.

If the number reaches 3 million then yes the country is against it. But the population of Wales is approximately 3.2 million, with 300,000 petitioning against it. That gives a total of
9.4% of the population against it. Not exactly a landslide.

It is not whether I am right or wrong, it is a question of whether it better for the citizens of this country or not. Time will show which side is right, but I would rather be on the side that tries to improve the country than the side that says that nothing can be done.

Over 300000 people think it is not better for the citizens of Wales and doesn't improve the country. This is one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever. If the WAG don't take any notice of it, they do so at their peril. It is only your opinion that the new limits are a good idea and over 300000 people disagree with you. You have absolutely no evidence that it will do any good.

[life on mars]

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Surely he can’t not be on a wind up?

That would mean he believes what he posts - and no one can be that (dense, or obsessed, or incontinent ) .

You should know about the last 3

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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give it a few weeks and everyone will have gotten used to it and moved on with their lives.

the idiots who are currently out there driving at 20 in a 30 zone or higher will have also worked out what's what by then too

I disagree. People will continue to ignore it. I haven't come across a driver who has stuck to 20mph today. People will stop bothering and will carry on as they have done as it is impossible to police.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Over 300000 people think it is not better for the citizens of Wales and doesn't improve the country. This is one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever. If the WAG don't take any notice of it, they do so at their peril. It is only your opinion that the new limits are a good idea and over 300000 people disagree with you. You have absolutely no evidence that it will do any good.

On this rare occasion, I agree with you. It isn't one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever btw, it is THE biggest by a country mile. The suggestion from 79blue that it isn't representative of the population is utter rubbish.

The next thing that needs to happen is a voter intention survey asking the public if it intends voting differently over this issue. If it showed it is prepared to, Drakeford has a gun against his head.

[life on mars]

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Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.

[Pilkers]

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Over 300000 people think it is not better for the citizens of Wales and doesn't improve the country. This is one of the biggest Senedd petitions ever. If the WAG don't take any notice of it, they do so at their peril. It is only your opinion that the new limits are a good idea and over 300000 people disagree with you. You have absolutely no evidence that it will do any good.

We've had it on trial in Abergavenny for months, most people don't stick to the 20 limit once you get out of town anyway. Most will speed up once you get onto the Ross rd, the old Monmouth rd and the A40, thou noticeably less so then they used to. Its just calmed the traffic a little, no big deal at all really. The real t*at has been waiting years for the blackrock to be duelled only for the WAG to put average speed cameras up over the whole new stretch and slap a 50 limit on it! Absolute madness, the old three laner was quicker than it is now years later and after spunking away a few hundred million quid.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.

Would certainly sew up the next WG election for Labour.

[Pilkers]

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Petition at 322,207, someone has a democratic voice and its people . Think we should petition or the removal of Drakeford.

Why don't you just vote for someone else next assembly elections? You don't remove governments by petition ffs.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Why don't you just vote for someone else next assembly elections? You don't remove governments by petition ffs.

He always does.