20mph online petition

[79blue]

Re: 20mph online petition

Mark Drakeford was not my choice to lead Labour in Wales but he has shown real leadership during his tenure. He provided consistent leadership during Covid, unlike the fools in Westminster, which was backed by the majority of people in Wales.

With the 20 mph limit he has shown true leadership. He is willing to be unpopular with a section of Welsh Society, the right wing press and the raving libertarians, to ensure to push through legislation that will benefit society in the long run. Contrast his leadership with Sunak and the Tories. Until recently they were all more than happy to display their green credentials and attend climate change summits and get their faces in the news showing how Green they are. Then came the Boris by-election, where they scrapped through on an anti-ULEZ vote. They realised that can get an extra few votes by being anti-green and now they are back tracking on all their promises. Therefore putting votes and trying to cling onto power ahead of the good of the country and the lives of future generations.

There have no idea of what leadership requires. It is easy to be popular and to pander to peoples prejudices, as in the case of Boris and the rest of his mob. It is much harder to undertake the less popular options that will take time to come to fruition but which benefit society.

I can remember the outcry when seat belts were made compulsory and the holding of phones when driving. Now most people will not consider driving without a seatbelt or hold a phone whilst driving. We all adjust and eventually get used to changes.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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anyone who has ever driven a car can tell you that it's easier to join a flow of traffic at 20mph compared to 30mph.
apart from anything else at the more relaxed pace of 20mph I've noticed that people drive a lot more politely and are more likely to let people out.

by your logic should we increase the road speeds to 50 to help nervous drivers pull out of junctions?

That slows the traffic down even further, don't let people out, they wait for the gaps, keep the roads flowing.

[goats]

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Everyone so irate around my way you never get let out……

[JamesWales]

Re: 20mph online petition

Mark Drakeford was not my choice to lead Labour in Wales but he has shown real leadership during his tenure. He provided consistent leadership during Covid, unlike the fools in Westminster, which was backed by the majority of people in Wales.

With the 20 mph limit he has shown true leadership. He is willing to be unpopular with a section of Welsh Society, the right wing press and the raving libertarians, to ensure to push through legislation that will benefit society in the long run. Contrast his leadership with Sunak and the Tories. Until recently they were all more than happy to display their green credentials and attend climate change summits and get their faces in the news showing how Green they are. Then came the Boris by-election, where they scrapped through on an anti-ULEZ vote. They realised that can get an extra few votes by being anti-green and now they are back tracking on all their promises. Therefore putting votes and trying to cling onto power ahead of the good of the country and the lives of future generations.

There have no idea of what leadership requires. It is easy to be popular and to pander to peoples prejudices, as in the case of Boris and the rest of his mob. It is much harder to undertake the less popular options that will take time to come to fruition but which benefit society.

I can remember the outcry when seat belts were made compulsory and the holding of phones when driving. Now most people will not consider driving without a seatbelt or hold a phone whilst driving. We all adjust and eventually get used to changes.

Welsh Labour Party Press Release

[Dave Blue]

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Welsh Labour Party Press Release

Whatever it is it’s a damn sight more measured and sensible than some loons on here.

[Hilts]

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Welsh Labour Party Press Release

From the one man defence of this Tory Govt.🤣🤣🤣

To be fair being better than Sunak , Truss or The bufoon doesnt make Drakeford any good.

The standard of politician at the front of British politics is utterly abysmal.

[JamesWales]

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Whatever it is it’s a damn sight more measured and sensible than some loons on here.

It really isn't. Most of the country object to the imposition of 20mph where it isn't necessary. Its as simple as that. It's a bad policy decision.

[JamesWales]

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From the one man defence of this Tory Govt.🤣🤣🤣

To be fair being better than Sunak , Truss or The bufoon doesnt make Drakeford any good.

The standard of politician at the front of British politics is utterly abysmal.

As I will point out again. It would only be a defence in the face of people like you who write unhinged stuff. No one is complimenting any govt here..they are pointing out that the WG probably have this policy wrong.

I suspect you probably know that yourself now really.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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As I will point out again. It would only be a defence in the face of people like you who write unhinged stuff. No one is complimenting any govt here..they are pointing out that the WG probably have this policy wrong.

I suspect you probably know that yourself now really.

Sunak is doing a good job of calming things down, as is Starmer he won't go for any of this 20mph nonsense.

Boris, Corbyn, Truss, Sturgeon, Davies, Khan and Drakeford, are all useless and should be nowhere near power.

[Rjk]

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As I will point out again. It would only be a defence in the face of people like you who write unhinged stuff. No one is complimenting any govt here..they are pointing out that the WG probably have this policy wrong.

I suspect you probably know that yourself now really.

It's unpopular, that doesn't mean it is wrong.

I think it'll need to be assessed after it has been in place for a year at least before we can make a call on whether it is wrong or not

[North Cardiff Blue]

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It's unpopular, that doesn't mean it is wrong.

I think it'll need to be assessed after it has been in place for a year at least before we can make a call on whether it is wrong or not

Another back peddler, he's seeing sense, Jesus it takes ages with some of them.

I think that's all of them now

[Rjk]

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Another back peddler, he's seeing sense, Jesus it takes ages with some of them.

I think that's all of them now

I haven't back peddled on anything you strange little man

[Maurice Swan]

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Mark Drakeford was not my choice to lead Labour in Wales but he has shown real leadership during his tenure. He provided consistent leadership during Covid, unlike the fools in Westminster, which was backed by the majority of people in Wales.

With the 20 mph limit he has shown true leadership. He is willing to be unpopular with a section of Welsh Society, the right wing press and the raving libertarians, to ensure to push through legislation that will benefit society in the long run.

...and what sort of mushrooms have you been gathering lately?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I haven't back peddled on anything you strange little man

You've been saying it's a good idea for ten pages, you can hardly say OK I've been a tit it is daft and caused Labour in Wales a massive problem, so to try and save face you've said "I think it'll need to be assessed"

Anyway well done, it sounds like that's already happening.

[Rjk]

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You've been saying it's a good idea for ten pages, you can hardly say OK I've been a tit it is daft and caused Labour in Wales a massive problem, so to try and save face you've said "I think it'll need to be assessed"

Anyway well done, it sounds like that's already happening.

OK to explain myself more clearly, it's pointless trying to make any kind of judgement about it now, as it has only just been introduced, if after 12 months we can see that as expected deaths and serious injuries are significantly reduced, and only minimal amounts are added to journey times then that is the time to make an assessment of it.