40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jeepster]

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/...t-to-west-bank

President Donald Trump’s pick to be the United States ambassador to the United Nations has become the latest administration nominee to express the belief that Israel has “biblical” dominion over the occupied West Bank.

Truthpaste clones now in control of the White House and the Capitol - and going to war with the UN and what is left of international law and the post-WW2 'rules based' order.

The fascists in the Israeli government and many of the illegal West Bank settlements (and East Jerusalem) must think that all their Christmases (lol - as Truthpaste would say) have come together!

Wonder how Gazza-Westbank will look in 4yrs.
Will there be any Palestinians there or full of Israeli real estate agents.

[JamesWales]

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Wonder how Gazza-Westbank will look in 4yrs.
Will there be any Palestinians there or full of Israeli real estate agents.

Probably largely depends whether they elect a bunch of racist terrorists or not I guess!? I say that in jest as people shouldn't be held accountable for their governments actions but it is still largely true

I sincerely hope the next four years is more peaceful than the last 40 though. You won't have peace of you don't recognise your neighbouring countries right to exist (and that goes for both sides!)

[jon1959]

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Wonder how Gazza-Westbank will look in 4yrs.
Will there be any Palestinians there or full of Israeli real estate agents.

I was listening to a podcast this morning where they were discussing the motivation for Trump to push the ceasefire, and the Israeli government for accepting it (at least stage 1).

The consensus was that Trump has three drivers: photo op with relatives of Israeli hostages at his inauguration; a massive commercial opportunity for him, his family and his henchmen to exploit (the Jared Kushner vision for Trumpworld on the Med with all those new Gaza hotels and casinos - and very few Palestinians); and a chance to get hold of the Nobel Peace Prize (he is pissed that Obama has one and he doesn't).

Netanyahu's motivation is more immediate and personal - just staying onside with Trump to avoid conviction and gaol, either in Tel Aviv or the Hague. He has lost Ben Gvir from his government, but Smotrich is still there and he is able to govern if Ben Gvir keeps his word not to collapse the government from outside. Very tenuous position, but it is all about kissing Trump's ring (both of them).

But 4 years down the line the Israeli and US governments are both on course to complete the ethnic cleansing of Palestine (maybe with fewer dead babies than recently) and achieving Greater Israel 'from the river to the sea'. If the world stands by and lets it happen it will happen. But I don't think Netanyahu and Trump will have everything their own way.

[truthpaste]

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Probably largely depends whether they elect a bunch of racist terrorists or not I guess!? I say that in jest as people shouldn't be held accountable for their governments actions but it is still largely true.

Not just true but crucial; and with this one comment you have touched on the key issue in this entire mess.

[jon1959]

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Yes, the racist terrorists are the key issue:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/23/its-not-the-damage-its-the-terror-israeli-settlers-run-riot-after-ceasefire-deal

[stevo]

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Time to boycott Microsoft?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/23/israeli-military-gaza-war-microsoft

[jon1959]

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Time to boycott Microsoft?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-war-microsoft

It does start to show how deeply international Tech companies (like armaments companies) are tied in to repressive regimes - driven by looking for 'favourable' political outcomes as much as making money. Never mind paranoid theories about WEF chat rooms, the Great Reset, black-eyed babies, 5G mind control or deflection racist crap of the sort that dominated much of social media and the Tommy Robinson Fan Club. This is 21st Century capitalism, exploitation and control.

[JamesWales]

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Life isn't as black and white as you make out.

If Microsoft are making moral decisions on investments (which they aren't) is there not a strong argument that the only democracy in the Middle East and the place with by far he greatest human rights etc is in fact the best place to invest?

I have a decent amount of sympathy with criticism of Israels response to the Hamas attacks etc but this is where things start to slip into a purely anti-Israel stance

[stevo]

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I have a decent amount of sympathy with criticism of Israels response to the Hamas attacks etc but this is where things start to slip into a purely anti-Israel stance

I understand why you're seeing it that way, but there's only so much we can do as citizen's in another country to make our voices heard. Besides, I'm nearly as much anti-Microsoft (as well as other giant international tech companies) as I am anti-Netenyahu/IDF. So, I'm killing two birds with one stone here.

[jon1959]

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Life isn't as black and white as you make out.

If Microsoft are making moral decisions on investments (which they aren't) is there not a strong argument that the only democracy in the Middle East and the place with by far he greatest human rights etc is in fact the best place to invest?

I have a decent amount of sympathy with criticism of Israels response to the Hamas attacks etc but this is where things start to slip into a purely anti-Israel stance

Democracy - and a degree of liberalism - for first class Israeli Jewish citizens. Far fewer rights for second class Israeli Arab citizens. And occupied and/or besieged Palestinian Arabs have very few rights at all and are subject to decades of contempt, exploitation and casual murder. It has been in plain sight since the state was founded. It became more explicit after 1973. It became enshrined in the constitution with the adoption of the Nation State Law about 6 years ago.

That is not an ‘anti Israel stance’. Many citizens of the state of Israel - Jewish and Arab - have spent their lives fighting that apartheid system. The ease with which people parrot the ‘only democracy in the Middle East’ lie is shocking, whether it is done in ignorance or with a more sinister purpose.

[jon1959]

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Beyond the legal, systemic and institutional discrimination against non Jews in Israel and the Occupied Territories of Palestine, there are also the more recent attacks on 'Israeli Democracy' by Netanyahu and his allies - the subversion of the independent judiciary, the undermining of the role of the Attorney General, suppression of the free press (or those parts that are not cheerleaders for Netanyahu and his far right - some fascist - allies), and bans on freedom of expression across the state and civil society.

The American Jewish organisation J Street touches on just some of these:

https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/The-Netanyahu-Governments-War-on-Israeli-Democracy-1.pdf

[jon1959]

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Some truth from Owen Jones - who was a speaker at the Palestine demonstration in London last Saturday. I know he triggers some (and I often disagree with him) but he has got this absolutely right. Maybe even underplayed it:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/23/israel-leaders-genocide-gaza-political-media-power

[jon1959]

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https://mondoweiss.net/2025/01/there-will-be-no-trump-effect-when-it-comes-to-u-s-policy-toward-palestine/

[stevo]

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[stevo]

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