40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[stevo]

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Surely we all want Hamas gone don't we?

What we want is peace and a two-state solution.

And are you suggesting Israel's actions particularly over the last 18 months have been justified?

[Dorcus]

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Surely we all want Hamas gone don't we?

I think we want the IDF gone

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I think we want the IDF gone

Amen

Dismantle it

Peacekeeping troops

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/apr/07/ten-britons-accused-of-committing-war-crimes-while-fighting-for-israel-in-gaza

A war crimes complaint against 10 Britons who served with the Israeli military in Gaza is to be submitted to the Met police by one of the UK’s leading human rights lawyers.

Michael Mansfield KC is one of a group of lawyers who will on Monday hand in a 240-page dossier to Scotland Yard’s war crimes unit alleging targeted killing of civilians and aid workers, including by sniper fire, and indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas, including hospitals.

[jon1959]

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One of the best commentators on Israel/Palestine:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/07/politicians-normalise-gaza-moral-outrage

It may seem like life goes on, as does the war on Gaza. It may seem like a defeat has come to pass, with Israel and its allies staring down the public and the entire global order to force through the war. And Donald Trump’s presidency has flooded the zone with multiple shocks, from the economic to the political. But it is a restive, turbulent status quo, because what is happening to many is simply unbearable, and if protest and testimony and confrontation might save even one life or bring forward the end of the war by even one minute, it will continue.

Every corpse, every city pulverised into rubble, every bloodied child exists not in a hopeless land far away, but within people’s human hinterland. Because it is impossible for a world to be shown the daily ravaging of a people and become intimidated or exhausted into habituation. Some may choose to ignore it, or justify it, or even support it, but they can never normalise it.

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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025...israel-in-gaza

A war crimes complaint against 10 Britons who served with the Israeli military in Gaza is to be submitted to the Met police by one of the UK’s leading human rights lawyers.

Michael Mansfield KC is one of a group of lawyers who will on Monday hand in a 240-page dossier to Scotland Yard’s war crimes unit alleging targeted killing of civilians and aid workers, including by sniper fire, and indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas, including hospitals.

Outrageous

Thank god we defeated Hitler to ensure this sort of thing never happened again !

Unless you are Israel doing it then carry on , nothing to see , poor Israel

[Dorcus]

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Outrageous

Thank god we defeated Hitler to ensure this sort of thing never happened again !

Unless you are Israel doing it then carry on , nothing to see , poor Israel

It's called a Free Pass

[jon1959]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno

Palestinian detainees released back to Gaza have told the BBC they were subjected to mistreatment and torture at the hands of Israeli military and prison staff, adding to reports of misconduct within Israel's barracks and jails.

One man said he was attacked with chemicals and set alight. "I thrashed around like an animal in an attempt to put the fire out [on my body]," said Mohammad Abu Tawileh, a 36-year-old mechanic.

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In the men's testimony:

They each describe being stripped, blindfolded, cuffed and beaten

Some also say they were given electric shocks, menaced by dogs, and denied access to medical care

Some say they witnessed the deaths of other detainees

One says he witnessed sexual abuse

Another says he had his head dunked in chemicals and his back set on fire

We have seen reports by a lawyer who visited two of the men in prison, and have spoken to medical staff who treated some of them on their return.

The BBC sent a lengthy right of reply letter to the IDF which laid out in detail the men's allegations and their identities.

In its statement, the IDF did not respond to any of the specific allegations, but said it "completely rejects accusations of systematic abuse of detainees".

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Dr Lawrence Hill-Cawthorne, co-director of the Centre for International Law at the University of Bristol, said the treatment the men described was "entirely inconsistent with both international law and Israeli law", and in some cases would "meet the threshold of torture".

[stevo]

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Well, at least the BBC are reporting on this now. Strange that they chose to not report on so many other atrocities.

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/08/idf-has-long-history-of-denying-involvement-in-civilian-killings

The Israel Defense Forces’ changing account of its killing of 15 Palestinian medics and civil defence workers is part of a long familiar pattern in high profile cases involving the killing of civilians.

Often, at first, the IDF denies involvement. Sometimes – in the context of Gaza – it suggests one of Hamas’s own rockets fell short, causing the casualties.

Otherwise, it might allege that those killed were either combatants themselves, or collateral damage from the targeting of combatants.

And the case of the Gaza medics is only the latest incident when Israel has altered its account of a high profile killing.

The killing of the celebrated Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, who worked for Al Jazeera, while covering a protest on the West Bank in 2022, saw a similar shifting of explanations.

Initially, then Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett suggested that Akleh “likely” had been killed by Palestinian fire. A day later the government issued a statement where it decried “hasty” accusations of one of its soldiers being behind the killing as being “misleading and irresponsible”.

Then, under pressure from witness testimony, the IDF conceded she had been shot by an Israeli soldier, saying then that she was not the target but had been hit by accident.

When evidence emerges to challenge the Israeli military’s account, history shows the IDF then changes its story to suggest the circumstances are not the result of military orders or systemic issues but a “mistake” or – rarely – individual, but not organisational, culpability.

[jon1959]

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And when the IDF does launch an investigation, through the auspices, of its Military Advocate General’s office, the results are often opaque and seldom leading to the most serious charges.

According to analysis conducted by Israeli human rights organisation, Yesh Din, published last year, the mechanism set up the IDF’s general staff to investigate potential war crimes is designed to avoid responsibility while giving the impression that a process is taking place.

An examination by Yesh Din of “all complaints transferred to the military” taking place during major Israeli military campaigns over the previous decade “at least 664 complaints were transferred … for review.”

Of that, the organisation says, “542 (81.6%) incidents were closed without a criminal investigation with “just 41 incidents (6%)” leading to a criminal investigation.

That led Yesh Din to conclude that “the results of Israel’s law enforcement mechanism’s work over the past decade shows that it rarely opens investigations against junior-ranking soldiers and completely refrains from investigating decision makers at the top command levels”.

[jon1959]

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[jon1959]

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I’m a Jewish Israeli in the US standing up for Palestine. By Trump’s logic, I’m a terror supporter - Eran Zelnik

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/10/jewish-israeli-gaza-trump-protest-fascism

I’ve called the Gaza war a genocide and spoken in favor of sanctions on Israel. I was also in the IDF. I ask the FBI: should you arrest me?

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As a former member of the Israel Defense Forces, I have come a long way. It took me many years of soul-searching to realize that I was complicit in a settler-colonial occupation force and that my best recourse to make amends for that was to be outspoken about my country’s atrocities. As I tried to better understand the terrible tragedy of Zionism – a nationalist ideology that sought to free Jews from oppression only to end up as oppressors in Palestine – I confess to describing concepts such as apartheid, settler colonialism, ethno-nationalism and more. Perhaps even more disturbing from your perspective, I recently employed such concepts as genocide, settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing in a book I wrote about early American history.

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I have long heard stories about the rise of fascism in Europe from my grandparents, all of whom fled Europe and were refugees from antisemitism. The similarities between the actions of this administration and what my grandparents have lived through are unmistakable. I tell them here so that before you choose to arrest me, you will have one more opportunity to decide whether you will go down in history as aiding and abetting the rise of a fascist regime or as someone who refused to be part of another dark episode in this country’s history. Be forewarned: even if you yourself never directly suffer for your crimes, history will judge you.

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As I consider the memory of dear grandmother Rachel, may her memory be a blessing, who grew up in Poland and survived the Holocaust, including enduring a harrowing year in Auschwitz and the death march to Germany, I cannot shake the sense of another parallel. As Hitler and the Nazi party were consolidating power, they appointed sycophants like yourself and so many others to positions of power in the Nazi administration. The most important criterion for Hitler was not that the people in positions of power were competent or even knowledgeable, but that they would be spineless and loyal to him.

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So, Kash Patel, do you want to arrest me and help bring about fascism?

[Dorcus]

Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

I’m a Jewish Israeli in the US standing up for Palestine. By Trump’s logic, I’m a terror supporter - Eran Zelnik

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/10/jewish-israeli-gaza-trump-protest-fascism

I’ve called the Gaza war a genocide and spoken in favor of sanctions on Israel. I was also in the IDF. I ask the FBI: should you arrest me?

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As a former member of the Israel Defense Forces, I have come a long way. It took me many years of soul-searching to realize that I was complicit in a settler-colonial occupation force and that my best recourse to make amends for that was to be outspoken about my country’s atrocities. As I tried to better understand the terrible tragedy of Zionism – a nationalist ideology that sought to free Jews from oppression only to end up as oppressors in Palestine – I confess to describing concepts such as apartheid, settler colonialism, ethno-nationalism and more. Perhaps even more disturbing from your perspective, I recently employed such concepts as genocide, settler colonialism and ethnic cleansing in a book I wrote about early American history.

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I have long heard stories about the rise of fascism in Europe from my grandparents, all of whom fled Europe and were refugees from antisemitism. The similarities between the actions of this administration and what my grandparents have lived through are unmistakable. I tell them here so that before you choose to arrest me, you will have one more opportunity to decide whether you will go down in history as aiding and abetting the rise of a fascist regime or as someone who refused to be part of another dark episode in this country’s history. Be forewarned: even if you yourself never directly suffer for your crimes, history will judge you.

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As I consider the memory of dear grandmother Rachel, may her memory be a blessing, who grew up in Poland and survived the Holocaust, including enduring a harrowing year in Auschwitz and the death march to Germany, I cannot shake the sense of another parallel. As Hitler and the Nazi party were consolidating power, they appointed sycophants like yourself and so many others to positions of power in the Nazi administration. The most important criterion for Hitler was not that the people in positions of power were competent or even knowledgeable, but that they would be spineless and loyal to him.

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So, Kash Patel, do you want to arrest me and help bring about fascism?

The last sentence of the prior paragraph could easily have been written about DJT. And no I don't have TDS; just open eyes.

[jon1959]

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The last sentence of the prior paragraph could easily have been written about DJT. And no I don't have TDS; just open eyes.

If you read the full piece it is explicitly about the direction of Trump's USA - and the lessons of history.