40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[the other bob wilson]

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Intolerable but sadly inevitable under the current regime.

Think Labour are out of step with the mood of the country on the issue of Gaza/Palestine - shame on them.

[jon1959]

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The gloves are off and some people are now - at last - saying what was unsayable.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/israel-is-waging-a-holocaust-in-gaza-denazification-is-our-only-remedy/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_source_platform=mailpoet&utm_campaign=today-on-the-jvl-blog-newsletter-total-articles-for-you_1

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewnn8qe7wro

[Elwood Blues]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewnn8qe7wro

I have no doubt that recognizing Palestinian statehood at some time is the correct thing to do.

But is now the correct time to do so Bob?

Or is it just a bit of virtue signalling by Starmer so in the long term

So he can save some Labour seats at both National and Local level?

Or should he at least have waited until the remaining hostages have been released on

[jon1959]

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I have no doubt that recognizing Palestinian statehood at some time is the correct thing to do.

But is now the correct time to do so Bob?

Or is it just a bit of virtue signalling by Starmer so in the long term

So he can save some Labour seats at both National and Local level?

Or should he at least have waited until the remaining hostages have been released on

It should have been done many decades ago for both moral and legal reasons.

Starmer’s ‘conditions’ were wrong on every level.

The decision should not be linked to the immediate actions of Hamas, Israel or the Palestinian Authority. It is a decision about recognising a people, a nation, not about opinions on various governments or potential governments.

Starmer has done this now because he has been pressured to do it - by Labour MPs (and a good part of the Cabinet) by the Labour Party members, by the public (there is majority support in opinion polls and has been for about 18 months) by street demonstrations and by the bleeding out of support for him and his government - more to the political left than right.

I don’t believe it was a decision based on principle - I don’t think Starmer has those - although that looks to be the reason for most of the other countries who have recognised Palestine in recent days.

It is symbolic - but symbols often matter.

Of course the Israeli hostages should be released immediately. Of course the Palestinian hostages (those thousands in administrative detention without charge or trial - and many subjected to systematic abuse or torture) should also be released immediately.

The bigger issue is that the recognition of a Palestinian state (now adopted by over 150 countries) is tied to the 2 state solution - with a sovereign Palestine created on the 1967 borders alongside Israel. But Israel through its settlement expansion, military zones, walls, Israeli only roads, apartheid and escalating ethnic cleansing has created ‘facts on the ground’ that make the 2 state solution impossible to create.

The Israeli response (fully backed by the USA) is to step up the ethnic cleansing. Netanyahu and his government boast of this and hide nothing! If Starmer is content with a symbolic announcement very little will change and the genocide will continue.

There is not much support for 2 states any more from Palestinians or Israelis. Most (non Islamist) Palestinians want to see a single democratic state for Jews and Arabs with equal rights. Officially Hamas support 2 states - since 2017 - but unofficially probably not. Most Israelis (a large Zionist majority that has grown in recent years) want a single ethno-religious Jewish state covering all of Israel and Palestine (some also want large parts of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Sinai included).

Will Starmer remain part of the problem or does this mark a serious move (with like minded states) to find a viable route to 2 states? I’m not holding my breathe.

[jon1959]

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We have been in Sardinia for the last 12 days. I was surprised by the number of Palestinian flags, solidarity posters, graffiti and local demonstrations we saw from big towns to small villages.

The Italian government of Meloni is populist right (sons of Mussolini) but have not slavishly followed the Trump playbook on climate or Gaza despite cozying up to King Don. For the EU to make a serious break with Israel and bring in proper sanctions either Germany or italy will have to make a major policy change. It won’t be Germany. Maybe Italy? The government played down the Palestine demonstrations and strikes today - but the pressure is growing, as it was on Starmer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/22/disruption-across-italy-as-tens-of-thousands-protest-against-gaza-war

[jon1959]

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https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/uk-recognising-palestine-too-little-and-a-century-late/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_source_platform=mailpoet&utm_campaign=today-on-the-jvl-blog-newsletter-total-articles-for-you_1

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/sep/25/fifa-banned-russia-from-international-football-now-it-must-do-the-same-for-israel

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/sep/25/israel-future-in-uefa-october-world-cup-qualifiers-suspension-maccabi-tel-aviv

[stevo]

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It will be interesting to see how the US will try to intervene in the event UEFA do the right thing.

[jon1959]

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Spain leading the way again on confronting Netanyahu’s rogue state.

https://www.thecanary.co/global/world-analysis/2025/09/25/spain-flotilla-gaza/?__s=hheshtdmarsdn8syijsb

[stevo]

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Eurovision Song Contest may be following suit (UEFA that is - not Spain)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgq4e4l7dv8o

[jon1959]

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The USA and Israel want Tony Blair to ‘run’ Gaza!

[jon1959]

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Interesting opinion piece on the amount of money (mainly US dollars) going into re-writing history and spraying propaganda perfume over the genocide in Gaza - but with the added reveal that there is a thing called Sludge News!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/26/gaza-us-marketing-companies

[the other bob wilson]

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https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/1971566457302724866?s=61