40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jon1959]

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Gofer Blue: I write lots of letters and emails, and do many other things for the causes I believe in beside 'venting' on a football forum. But I think any letters to Tzipi Hotovely will be a complete waste of time and ink. Mark Regev was bad - she is off the scale. When even Melanie Phillips is appalled by the extremity of her right wing views, you get a sense of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Hotovely

According to Hotovely there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, mixed marriages should be outlawed, all of Palestinian land should be siezed and incorporated into Greater Israel, there is no such thing as a Palestinian or Palestine, she is in Likud but a close friend and ally of fascists. And those are her good views and qualities.

[jon1959]

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The Na'Amod (British Jews Against Occupation) petition didn't make any difference, but in calling on the UK government to reject Tzipi Hotovely as Israel's ambassador (there have been precedents) they laid out a very clear case:

"Hotovely has an appalling record of racist and inflammatory behaviour from throughout her political career. This includes:

* Inviting the far-right Jewish supremacist organisation Lehava to speak in the Knesset (the Israeli parliament)

* Publicly opposing relationships between Jews and Arabs

* Referring to Israeli human rights activists as "war criminals" and comparing them to a fifth column

* Accusing Palestinians of being "thieves of history" who have no heritage or connection to Israel-Palestine

* Calling for the Israeli flag to fly over the Temple Mount – a violation of the status quo in a holy site for both Muslims and Jews

* Stating that the occupation is "a myth" and, as Settlements Minister, directly upholding Israel's illegal presence in the West Bank

* Leading the campaign for annexation and claiming that biblical texts entitle Israel to the entirety of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea"

[jon1959]

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https://www.medialens.org/2024/buried-out-of-sight-deliberate-israeli-targeting-of-palestinian-children-becomes-local-news-on-the-bbc/

[Dorcus]

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jon1959: I believe in God and anyone with the blood of innocent children on their hands (literally or metaphorically due to their actions or inactions) whilst they may think they have got away with it for now, will have to answer to the ultimate judge one day.

Jesus said: “If anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea". (Matthew 18:6)......Ouch!

Have you thought about writing a letter (not an email) to the Israeli ambassador? They say an M.P. sits up and takes notice if he/she gets more than 10 letters about a single issue. What they are less interested in is receiving multiple cloned emails to which they can simply and quickly send out a generic reply. A good old fashioned snail mail letter is a different proposition. Maybe ambassadors work on the same principle - who knows! Worth a try anyway. Certainly better than venting your feelings on a football forum!

I think that's very naive Gofer. Neville Chamberlain tried that sort of thing with a genocidal regime long ago; that didn't get him very far.

[Gofer Blue]

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Gofer Blue: I write lots of letters and emails, and do many other things for the causes I believe in beside 'venting' on a football forum. But I think any letters to Tzipi Hotovely will be a complete waste of time and ink. Mark Regev was bad - she is off the scale. When even Melanie Phillips is appalled by the extremity of her right wing views, you get a sense of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Hotovely

According to Hotovely there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, mixed marriages should be outlawed, all of Palestinian land should be siezed and incorporated into Greater Israel, there is no such thing as a Palestinian or Palestine, she is in Likud but a close friend and ally of fascists. And those are her good views and qualities.

Well here is her chance to redeem herself then! I'll let you know if I ever get a reply.

[Gofer Blue]

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I think that's very naive Gofer. Neville Chamberlain tried that sort of thing with a genocidal regime long ago; that didn't get him very far.

This is not the same situation at all. I am not trying to negotiate a peace settlement on behalf of the Palestinians, in fact my letter is completely non-political and in it I am simply appealing to the ambassador to seek authorisation for a child (and her guardian to accompany her) to seek urgent medical treatment in another country. I don't see that that is being naive. Obviously there are probably hundreds of "Maziona's" but I am only aware of this one.

[Dorcus]

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This is not the same situation at all. I am not trying to negotiate a peace settlement on behalf of the Palestinians, in fact my letter is completely non-political and in it I am simply appealing to the ambassador to seek authorisation for a child (and her guardian to accompany her) to seek urgent medical treatment in another country. I don't see that that is being naive. Obviously there are probably hundreds of "Maziona's" but I am only aware of this one.

Ok fair point best of luck but I wouldn't hold my breath

[truthpaste]

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Oh, and don’t forget - they’re God’s chosen people.

And your point being?

[stevo]

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And your point being?

It was in answer to the question 'why are the west refusing to condemn genocide by the IDF?'

What would your answer to the question be?

[truthpaste]

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It was in answer to the question 'why are the west refusing to condemn genocide by the IDF?'

What would your answer to the question be?

The 'west' as you put it are as secular as this board, so why would they give any more attention to God, His chosen people or anything the Bible says?

[stevo]

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The 'west' as you put it are as secular as this board, so why would they give any more attention to God, His chosen people or anything the Bible says?

Perhaps I was referring to people like yourself.

[jon1959]

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I have written to the Israeli ambassador Tzipi Hotovely in London today asking her to intervene in the case of the little Palestinian girl Maziona Damo - the one who has the terrible injury to her face. She needs to go abroad to get the surgery she needs as it is not possible in Gaza. I pray that she will have compassion on this little one and take some action. I understand the ambassador has daughters of her own, so hopefully she will do something.

Also sent a copy to my M.P. and David Lammy. Can I encourage others on here to do the same in addition to the usual handwringing debates on this forum. If you want a copy of the text of my letter to use as a template, please P.M. me.

One small and isolated piece of good news. Any reply to your letter Gofer?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/nov/21/mazyouna-damoo-girl-face-ripped-off-israeli-missile-permit-evacuation-gaza-medical-treatment

According to the UN children’s aid agency, Unicef, there are an estimated 2,500 children in Gaza in urgent need of medical treatment they cannot receive in the territory, where most health infrastructure has been destroyed over the past 14 months of war. It said children were being evacuated at a rate of fewer than one a day.

FAJR Scientific, a medical aid organisation, has been trying to evacuate Mazyouna for treatment to the US since June. “Due to months of delays, Mazyouna’s condition has deteriorated significantly,” said Mosab Nasser, chief executive officer at FAJR Scientific, who flew to Jordan on Wednesday to accompany the family to the US for treatment.

Nasser said children in Gaza were being denied the medical care that could save them and were then prevented from leaving for places where help awaited them, with the Israeli authorities making exceptions “only when it’s too late”.

He cited the example of four-year-old Elia Younis, who suffered fourth-degree burns and amputations after an Israeli airstrike near her home. Her mother, Eslam, also suffered severe burns and blood infection but was denied medical evacuation and died last month.

“We recently evacuated Elia to Jordan but she now has sepsis and is lying in an ICU in Amman,” said Nasser. “Doctors warn she might not make it – all this could have been avoided if she had just been allowed to evacuate sooner.”

[truthpaste]

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There are many who still pay attention to God's unchanging *Word instead of the ever changing ideas of men. The Wales sized strip of land known as Israel continues to not only survive but prosper in many ways despite the agenda of so many surrounding their land (and elsewhere across the world). So while people like you will continue to assume that people like me approve of every decision they make in seeking to survive and prosper, the impact of the Jewish people on the world will mainly be suppressed in the minds of those who would rather see them once again scattered and/ or finally exterminated.

* Many rock solid promises given to them 2,500-3,500 years ago have actually come to fruition during the lifetime of some individuals here on this board who have been watching City since the 1946-47 post war season.

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/20/bernie-sanders-israel-gaza-resolution

US Senate rejects Bernie Sanders effort to block arms sales to Israel.

Moves to advance three resolutions all failed, garnering only about 20 votes out of the chamber’s 100 members, with most Democrats joining all Republicans against the measures.

Sanders introduced the measures in September as Israel continued its assault on Gaza – which has killed at least 43,000 people.

“Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s extremist government has not simply waged war against Hamas – it has waged war against Palestinians,” Sanders said a press conference held on Tuesday ahead of the vote.

“Much of what’s been happening there has been done with US weapons and American taxpayer support,” Sanders continued, adding that the US has provided more than $18bn in military aid to Israel and delivered more than 50,000 tons of armaments and military equipment.

“The United States of America is complicit in these atrocities. This complicity must end.”

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More than 65% of housing, schools and healthcare facilities have been destroyed by Israeli forces, according to UN data. All 12 universities in the territory have been damaged or destroyed, according to Wafa, the Palestinian news agency. The UN also estimates that about 90% of Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians have been displaced. Humanitarian groups on the ground have reported malnutrition and starvation and global food security experts say famine in northern Gaza is imminent.

A spokesperson from Oxfam, a British non-governmental organization that has been providing aid to the displaced in the region, said: “The Senate must vote to finally end arms transfers to Israel, as we see the crisis continue to escalate with warnings of imminent famine and entire communities being permanently erased in North Gaza governorate.

“Israel is blocking humanitarian aid, and is meanwhile using US weapons in attacks that have killed thousands of children, aid workers, and journalists, destroyed schools, hospitals, vital infrastructure for clean water and more, and displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, where there is nowhere safe.”

[jon1959]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/20/un-gaza-vote-veto

The US has vetoed a UN security council push to call for a ceasefire in Gaza that Washington said would have emboldened Hamas.

The resolution demanded “an immediate, unconditional and permanent ceasefire” in the war between Israel and the Palestinian group, along with “the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages”.

The UN security council voted 14-1 in favor of the resolution sponsored by the 10 elected members on the 15-member council, but it was not adopted because of the US veto.