Hitler.

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Re: Hitler.

As you've not been able to follow the dialogue to produce an appropriate response then I stand by my original 'running' analysis.
Didn't you understand the point re Evolution and your ten supernatural events in the Bible being equally unprovable?
You see you completely trust certain scientific men who regularly withdraw or amend their latest 'discoveries' and who offer no scientific proof for evolution that we can observe, yet a God who has never needed to once withdraw (from His Word, the Bible) one statement re history or science, you find utterly untrustworthy?

No wonder you have no interest in getting involved.

The snake

The person turned into salt

Let's deal with those two claims first

The afterlife .....

God is doing a dreadful job of letting us know he exists , he could nail these for us non believers

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Hitler.

As you've not been able to follow the dialogue to produce an appropriate response then I stand by my original 'running' analysis.
Didn't you understand the point re Evolution and your ten supernatural events in the Bible being equally unprovable?
You see you completely trust certain scientific men who regularly withdraw or amend their latest 'discoveries' and who offer no scientific proof for evolution that we can observe, yet a God who has never needed to once withdraw (from His Word, the Bible) one statement re history or science, you find utterly untrustworthy?

No wonder you have no interest in getting involved.

No evidence whatsoever then.

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

No evidence whatsoever then.

Ok, as we've already had evidence above (even from individuals that share your chosen position of atheism) that the Biblical record of Jesus is accurate, including the resurrection, then let's dive into the research of another *atheist in the following docu/ movie > HERE

I understand you'll never want to watch the entire investigation, so let's cut to the chase, the key investigation into the resurrection itself, if you go to this point in the video >> 1:22:55 (1 hour 22 minutes and 55 seconds) which includes evidence from a secular scientific journal, then I would appreciate your comments on what was presented to the *atheist.

*An atheist at the time of this investigation.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Hitler.

Ok, as we've already had evidence above (even from individuals that share your chosen position of atheism) that the Biblical record of Jesus is accurate, including the resurrection, then let's dive into the research of another *atheist in the following docu/ movie > HERE

I understand you'll never want to watch the entire investigation, so let's cut to the chase, the key investigation into the resurrection itself, if you go to this point in the video >> 1:22:55 (1 hour 22 minutes and 55 seconds) which includes evidence from a secular scientific journal, then I would appreciate your comments on what was presented to the *atheist.

*An atheist at the time of this investigation.

I've no real interest in debating the issue. I'm an atheist. You aren't. I'm fine with that. However, the evidence - or rather the acceptance by non-Christian historians - you've provided is that Jesus existed. There's a big gap between the existence of a historical figure and what he's believed by Christians to have done during his short lifetime. Also, the existence of an empty tomb does not prove the resurrection. It merely proves that his tomb was empty.

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Re: Hitler.

I've no real interest in debating the issue. I'm an atheist. You aren't. I'm fine with that. However, the evidence - or rather the acceptance by non-Christian historians - you've provided is that Jesus existed. There's a big gap between the existence of a historical figure and what he's believed by Christians to have done during his short lifetime. Also, the existence of an empty tomb does not prove the resurrection. It merely proves that his tomb was empty.

I think old christ was a sort of left leaning chap who did a lot of voluntary work and had a lot of charisma and so a load of people followed him around

A bit like that David Koresh or the Jones Town fella but without the tragic consequences

There's no evidence for magic tricks

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

I've no real interest in debating the issue. I'm an atheist. You aren't. I'm fine with that. However, the evidence - or rather the acceptance by non-Christian historians - you've provided is that Jesus existed. There's a big gap between the existence of a historical figure and what he's believed by Christians to have done during his short lifetime. Also, the existence of an empty tomb does not prove the resurrection. It merely proves that his tomb was empty.

"I've no real interest in debating the issue"
(Now that does sound really familiar!)

Yet you make an opening statement in any case...

If you dig a little deeper into Roman history then you would know that a soldier who lost a prisoner would pay with his own life. In the case of the tomb it was two soldiers due to the wave of influence Christ had already caused which was a major headache for the goverment.

Also with the resulting impossibility that the body was stolen and Christ was somehow removed to another location by Roman authorities, once his followers started claiming (along with local historians) that he was risen, then all Rome had to do was drag his body into the town square and prove their position.
So have you given any serious thought to this piece of history, or like many others here, are you simply hoping that Christ had no ability to raise Himself from the dead?

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Re: Hitler.

"I've no real interest in debating the issue"
(Now that does sound really familiar!)

Yet you make an opening statement in any case...

If you dig a little deeper into Roman history then you would know that a soldier who lost a prisoner would pay with his own life. In the case of the tomb it was two soldiers due to the wave of influence Christ had already caused which was a major headache for the goverment.

Also with the resulting impossibility that the body was stolen and Christ was somehow removed to another location by Roman authorities, once his followers started claiming (along with local historians) that he was risen, then all Rome had to do was drag his body into the town square and prove their position.
So have you given any serious thought to this piece of history, or like many others here, are you simply hoping that Christ had no ability to raise Himself from the dead?

You have the opportunity to give evidence of christ , god , miracles etc but within a few words you are off again talking fairy tales

All this is just your view based on a book 2000 years old written by people who weren't at an event that may or may not have happened

We may as well discuss jam roly poly and custard

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Re: Hitler.

"I've no real interest in debating the issue"
(Now that does sound really familiar!)

Yet you make an opening statement in any case...

If you dig a little deeper into Roman history then you would know that a soldier who lost a prisoner would pay with his own life. In the case of the tomb it was two soldiers due to the wave of influence Christ had already caused which was a major headache for the goverment.

Also with the resulting impossibility that the body was stolen and Christ was somehow removed to another location by Roman authorities, once his followers started claiming (along with local historians) that he was risen, then all Rome had to do was drag his body into the town square and prove their position.
So have you given any serious thought to this piece of history, or like many others here, are you simply hoping that Christ had no ability to raise Himself from the dead?

It is impossible to reboot the human body once its snuffed it

It's goodnight

[jeepster]

Re: Hitler.

You have the opportunity to give evidence of christ , god , miracles etc but within a few words you are off again talking fairy tales

All this is just your view based on a book 2000 years old written by people who weren't at an event that may or may not have happened

We may as well discuss jam roly poly and custard

Jam roly poly does still exist

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Re: Hitler.

Jam roly poly does still exist

And very nice it is too

But God etc ?

He's yet to show his face

[jeepster]

Re: Hitler.

And very nice it is too

But God etc ?

He's yet to show his face

Also do a miracle we all can see,so us non believers can witness.
I n one fell swoop he can change us all.

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Re: Hitler.

Also do a miracle we all can see,so us non believers can witness.
I n one fell swoop he can change us all.

Think of the merchandise sales !

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Hitler.

"I've no real interest in debating the issue"
(Now that does sound really familiar!)

Yet you make an opening statement in any case...

If you dig a little deeper into Roman history then you would know that a soldier who lost a prisoner would pay with his own life. In the case of the tomb it was two soldiers due to the wave of influence Christ had already caused which was a major headache for the goverment.

Also with the resulting impossibility that the body was stolen and Christ was somehow removed to another location by Roman authorities, once his followers started claiming (along with local historians) that he was risen, then all Rome had to do was drag his body into the town square and prove their position.
So have you given any serious thought to this piece of history, or like many others here, are you simply hoping that Christ had no ability to raise Himself from the dead?

You've ignored my first point and your defence of the second point is deduction and assumption, something you accuse modern day science of. I don't hope jesus didn't raise himself from the dead. Why would I? I just haven't seen any evidence that he did. And there's a very good reason for that.

[jeepster]

Re: Hitler.

Think of the merchandise sales !

Billy the badge "i seen a miracle" Badges" i saw Ronnie Moore score"
Shirts i talked to a snake.

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

You've ignored my first point and your defence of the second point is deduction and assumption, something you accuse modern day science of. I don't hope jesus didn't raise himself from the dead. Why would I? I just haven't seen any evidence that he did. And there's a very good reason for that.

That reason being you know (unlike the rest of humanity) where the body is?