Hitler.

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Re: Hitler.

Billy the badge "i seen a miracle" Badges" i saw Ronnie Moore score"
Shirts i talked to a snake.

One God , One Snake , No Evidence

That's on the front

Maybe a middle east tour 1978 on the back

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Re: Hitler.

That reason being you know (unlike the rest of humanity) where the body is?

Lord Lucan ?

Jesus Christ !

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

Lord Lucan ?

Jesus Christ !

Thanks SF, another helpful interjection.

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

You've ignored my first point.....

Which was that you are an atheist and I am not.

Noted.

However if people left every subject at that juncture then there would be zero posts per day here which would make it a pointless endeavour.

[Gofer Blue]

Re: Hitler.

First of all, atheists don't have Messiahs. That is simply a contradiction in terms. Those who are interested in science (and which means truth) do not seek to follow a deity or human being as being the source of all truth and knowledge. In fact, any scientist worth his salt enjoys being wrong about something - as it meas that his or her knowledge expands. It's the total opposite of clinging onto unproven myths from thousand of years ago and which can never be proven or corroborated to a satisfactory degree for most people.
As for Dawkins stating that he is a 'cultural Christian' I think you need to listen to his explanation rather than perceive it as 'a delightful irony'. I am an atheist but can appreciate some of the cultural aspects of Christianity that surrounds us i.e. churches, various hymns, religious paintings etc - and it's all very familiar to me. Some non-Christians even go to Midnight Mass at Christmas purely for the enjoyment of it.

Similarly, I have hosted numerous Japanese people (both at home and regarding my work) who visit both a Shinto shrine and Buddhist temple every New Year's Eve (and who exchange presents at Christmas time). They have not been believers but they enjoy the cultural backcloth of their country and history.

Dawkins is an intelligent chap and probably brighter than those who misinterpret what he is saying.

The irony is that he effectively wishes that Christianity had been strangled at birth. If he had had his way there would be no churches, cathedrals, hymns, Christmas, Easter, or religious paintings for him (or you) to appreciate! Also what kind of society would we be living in now - something along the lines of the Roman empire perhaps. Uhm, not too appealing that!

Clearly Dawkins is a very intelligent chap but I do question whether he has seriously investigated the circumstances of the resurrection or if he has, perhaps dare not even alolow himself to think that it really might have happened? As he presumably would reject any narratives from the New Testament, then he would say that there is no evidence -end of discussion.

BTW I am a PhD scientist, and yes, during my career I have found that new scientific evidence has overturned my previous conclusions and I agree this is how scientific achievement develops of course. I came to faith through investigation into the resurrection of Jesus and I started off as a complete skeptic along the lines of Lee Strobel or Frank Morrison. I do not reject the New Testament as evidence because I always have to come back to the question - why? Why would anyone write accounts of such an event other than their lives were completely turned around as a result, and indeed they risked their very own lives when trying to share the news with others. Many were martyred. Would they really do this based on a fantasy?

[Gofer Blue]

Re: Hitler.

Also do a miracle we all can see,so us non believers can witness.
I n one fell swoop he can change us all.

I doubt it. Any miraculous event would immediately be declared by most folk as a hoax or an illusion. In these days of AI, talking heads, photoshop etc. who could blame them?

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Re: Hitler.

I doubt it. Any miraculous event would immediately be declared by most folk as a hoax or an illusion. In these days of AI, talking heads, photoshop etc. who could blame them?

Well tell your mate god we can analyse his efforts and wether they are fake after he's provided us with a few

So far ......absolutely nothing

God is omnipotent......your words .......and omnipresent .....your words

If he is then he's doing a crap job of showing us that he is all powerful and everywhere , at all times


So we can go through his efforts at miracles later ........tell him we want to see a few things first


The Middle East ......loads of deaths .....mostly to do with him and who he said what to and who's land he gave to who etc

Start with that

Have a mass prayer with all his followers and contact him

Here is his chance

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Hitler.

The irony is that he effectively wishes that Christianity had been strangled at birth. If he had had his way there would be no churches, cathedrals, hymns, Christmas, Easter, or religious paintings for him (or you) to appreciate! Also what kind of society would we be living in now - something along the lines of the Roman empire perhaps. Uhm, not too appealing that!

Clearly Dawkins is a very intelligent chap but I do question whether he has seriously investigated the circumstances of the resurrection or if he has, perhaps dare not even alolow himself to think that it really might have happened? As he presumably would reject any narratives from the New Testament, then he would say that there is no evidence -end of discussion.

BTW I am a PhD scientist, and yes, during my career I have found that new scientific evidence has overturned my previous conclusions and I agree this is how scientific achievement develops of course. I came to faith through investigation into the resurrection of Jesus and I started off as a complete skeptic along the lines of Lee Strobel or Frank Morrison. I do not reject the New Testament as evidence because I always have to come back to the question - why? Why would anyone write accounts of such an event other than their lives were completely turned around as a result, and indeed they risked their very own lives when trying to share the news with others. Many were martyred. Would they really do this based on a fantasy?

But you are quoting a book again ......which everyone knows was written at different times by different people

At least 1500 years old

Why ?

Why should we believe anything in that book ?

It's less factual than a copy of the beano

[goats]

Re: Hitler.

But you are quoting a book again ......which everyone knows was written at different times by different people

At least 1500 years old

Why ?

Why should we believe anything in that book ?

It's less factual than a copy of the beano

A book that was written to control the masses by those in control

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Hitler.

Thanks SF, another helpful interjection.

About as helpful as yours. How many bodies have gone missing over the last 2000 odd years?

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

About as helpful as yours. How many bodies have gone missing over the last 2000 odd years?

Under these particular circumstances, none.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Hitler.

A book that was written to control the masses by those in control

Apart from the Yanks most western educated countries are rejecting religion

It's no surprise that in poorly educated and poverty stricken areas religion still has a foothold

97 percent of scientists are not religious

Thank god

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

But you are quoting a book again ......which everyone knows was written at different times by different people

At least 1500 years old

Why ?

Why should we believe anything in that book ?

It's less factual than a copy of the beano

Unfortunately your denial is preventing you from looking OUTSIDE the Book, anyone who seriously does look at the evidence outside the Bible comes to the same conclusion as Gofer, Strobel, Morrison and McDowell, just to name a few.

[Robin Friday's Ghost]

Re: Hitler.

Under these particular circumstances, none.

There you go again, making claims you can't possibly prove.

[truthpaste]

Re: Hitler.

Apart from the Yanks most western educated countries are rejecting religion

It's no surprise that in poorly educated and poverty stricken areas religion still has a foothold

97 percent of scientists are not religious

Thank god

Which god are you thanking?