Evolving or Mutating?

[truthpaste]

Re: Evolving or Mutating?

Also found on the Justin Welby converstion but probably better to consider going forward here:-

“The best data we have are exactly what I would have predicted had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the Bible as a whole, in that the universe appears to have order and purpose.” -
Arno Penzias, American physicist and Nobel Laureate for the discovery of the cosmic background radiation which substantiated Big Bang theory.

“In the last few years astronomy has come together so that we’re now able to tell a coherent story
[of how the universe began] …this story does not contradict God, but instead enlarges [the idea of] God.”
Joel Primack, Fellow of the American Physical Society, Professor of Physics at the University of California, Santa Cruz. He studies dark matter, particle astrophysics, cosmology and quantum field theory.

In sort: Nothing that modern science can *CONFIRM, challenges the accuracy of anything God has said in the Bible.

* this being the key word in all such 'science' claims.

[Canton Kev]

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Very amusing. The issue is this on this subject and so many others.......

Any moron can yell "wrong, wrong, wrong!"

If you dislike someone's take on life and their views on origin, purpose and destiny. Get a robust view you can understand, stand up and defend.

Not someone else's idea (that you can't defend) off the nearest shelf.

Sounds like the bible, no? A collection of someone else’s stories and ideas, that doesn’t involve empirical evidence and instead relies on faith to believe (ie, can’t be defended) and commonly stored on a bookshelf.

[jon1959]

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Sounds like the bible, no? A collection of someone else’s stories and ideas, that doesn’t involve empirical evidence and instead relies on faith to believe (ie, can’t be defended) and commonly stored on a bookshelf.

Has Truthpaste chucked another boomerang? Lashed out at people with a different view and smacked himself in the face? Painful!

[truthpaste]

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Sounds like the bible, no? A collection of someone else’s stories and ideas, that doesn’t involve empirical evidence and instead relies on faith to believe (ie, can’t be defended) and commonly stored on a bookshelf.

Rich, coming from the evolution side of the argument that offers zero empirical evidence for the necessary proof of macro-evolution, ALSO zero evidence to prove any part of God's Account incorrect!

[jeepster]

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Rich, coming from the evolution side of the argument that offers zero empirical evidence for the necessary proof of macro-evolution, ALSO zero evidence to prove any part of God's Account incorrect!

Any proof besides the very old book?

[truthpaste]

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Any proof besides the very old book?

Yes, there is plenty of evidence outside the Bible to verify it's words. After all, it if is true then truth never changes, but often needs to be discovered, and on the way to finding the truth, many false flags can be found along the way.

[jeepster]

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Yes, there is plenty of evidence outside the Bible to verify it's words. After all, it if is true then truth never changes, but often needs to be discovered, and on the way to finding the truth, many false flags can be found along the way.

Still no proof just a word salad.

[goats]

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Shhhh, don't mention this to those convinced that Evolution points to a brighter future, City eventually stuffing Barcelona and an interface for your smartphone next to your kidneys, but it's a scientific fact that at birth children typically have 70 new genetic mutations compared to their parents. This would suggest that rather than moving towards perfection, getting stronger and brighter, we are actually degenerating!
If you somehow doubt that, imagine todays teenagers ripped away from their Smartphones, X-boxes and Just-Eat delivery and thrust onto the front line of WW1.

On another thread, Taunton Blue Genie was wondering if Bible reading Christians (yes there are a few) had any reasonable knowledge of modern Evolution?

On this thread we will explore that question...?

I’m sure they would adapt, but why would you expect them just to cope, it’s hardly the usual thing is it going over the top? I don’t think the kids back then were foaming at the mouth to go either when they knew what to expect. These days we know exactly how things pan out due to social media, the news back then was broadcast in the cinema and no doubt heavily sensored by the government of the day.
Yet again, your arguments are pointless…..took my kids away last year to a place with no wi fi or electric, they coped much better than me for 3 days….:hehe:

[goats]

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Has Truthpaste chucked another boomerang? Lashed out at people with a different view and smacked himself in the face? Painful!

Probably, I don’t like to judge people on the whole but all the Christian’s I’ve ever met bar the odd one were very weak mentally, almost like they just needed something to believe in to cope with life, give them a purpose….. sure it’s not easy all the time, and maybe we all have crutches we turn too ( booze, football, smoking, hookers, drugs, fishing, music, porn whatever floats yer boat) but I don’t think anyone who turns to say drinking, goes in and on about how wonderful it is….its just a book that’s not really true isn’t it?
I’m sure there might be something out there truth….but not your version. You like dinosaurs? Interesting things……

[truthpaste]

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….its just a book that’s not really true isn’t it?…

With the entire internet at your disposal, you should be able to prove this before darkess.

[Canton Kev]

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With the entire internet at your disposal, you should be able to prove this before darkess.

Don’t need to. I’ve got faith that he’s correct and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?

[truthpaste]

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Don’t need to. I’ve got faith that he’s correct and that’s all that matters, isn’t it?

Everyone has faith in something or someone, it's WHO you are placing that faith in that matters. Jon59 (who you were replying to) wants there to be no truth in God's Word but (1) He can't successfully refute a single claim from a book that has 1189 chapters and was written by 40 different people over 2000 years ago; (2) He has nothing to offer as an opposing world view, therefore he just has denial as a flag to wave with no ability to defend any alternative position whatsoever.

If that appears to be a safe, robust and admiral position to be in, then fill your boots :shrug:

[Canton Kev]

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Everyone has faith in something or someone, it's WHO you are placing that faith in that matters. Jon59 (who you were replying to) wants there to be no truth in God's Word but (1) He can't successfully refute a single claim from a book that has 1189 chapters and was written by 40 different people over 2000 years ago; (2) He has nothing to offer as an opposing world view, therefore he just has denial as a flag to wave with no ability to defend any alternative position whatsoever.

If that appears to be a safe, robust and admiral position to be in, then fill your boots :shrug:

That’s sounding awfully similar to someone else’s indefensible ideas that you’d find on the nearest bookshelf…

[jon1959]

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Everyone has faith in something or someone, it's WHO you are placing that faith in that matters. Jon59 (who you were replying to) wants there to be no truth in God's Word but (1) He can't successfully refute a single claim from a book that has 1189 chapters and was written by 40 different people over 2000 years ago; (2) He has nothing to offer as an opposing world view, therefore he just has denial as a flag to wave with no ability to defend any alternative position whatsoever.

If that appears to be a safe, robust and admiral position to be in, then fill your boots :shrug:

You want me to prove that the world wasn’t created in 7 days, that stone age prophets didn’t live to nearly a thousand years, that Lot’s wife did not turn into salt, that animals cannot spontaneously speak in human languages, that water cannot be turned into wine (it does work in reverse!) and that dead people cannot become undead?

You have obviously found a way of wasting your life with all that invention (and have decided it is all literally true, not metaphor), or else you are just a compulsive WUM. But some of us have other priorities. The real world is enough, without the need for magic and snake oil.

BTW I am still waiting (but not with bated breath) for you to square the Big Bang with Genesis.

[truthpaste]

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You want me to prove that the world wasn’t created in 7 days, that stone age prophets didn’t live to nearly a thousand years, that Lot’s wife did not turn into salt, that animals cannot spontaneously speak in human languages, that water cannot be turned into wine (it does work in reverse!) and that dead people cannot become undead?

You have obviously found a way of wasting your life with all that invention (and have decided it is all literally true, not metaphor), or else you are just a compulsive WUM. But some of us have other priorities. The real world is enough, without the need for magic and snake oil.

BTW I am still waiting (but not with bated breath) for you to square the Big Bang with Genesis.

No problem, first of all, what are you saying actually exploded and where did it come from?