Evolving or Mutating?

[truthpaste]

Re: Evolving or Mutating?

Grave robbers.

Nice try, but that wasn't possible as the Romans were guarding it.

[Canton Kev]

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I see, God has to communicate using all the methods approved by you!

The X related to America and warned them of various judgements to come; but fret not, there's been nothing unusual on their news bulletins since that warning :sherlock:

The big fella can do what he pleases. Just think it’s a shocking show of inefficiency from someone who made the universe in 6 days.

One of those big Lego Death Stars or Taj Mahal sets would probably take me longer.

[truthpaste]

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The big fella can do what he pleases. Just think it’s a shocking show of inefficiency from someone who made the universe in 6 days.

One of those big Lego Death Stars or Taj Mahal sets would probably take me longer.

If only your wisdom could be embraced and then somehow unleashed on the world. Oh well.

[jeepster]

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Nice try, but that wasn't possible as the Romans were guarding it.

They were in on it,they had no love for him.

[Gofer Blue]

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They were in on it,they had no love for him.

If so, why didn't they produce the body to instantly destroy any notion of a resurrection? The Pharisees would have loved it if they could have - hence they insisted on the Roman guard around the tomb to prevent the very thing that you suggest. In any case such a dereliction of duty on the part of the Roman soldiers would have meant a death sentence for them.

[jeepster]

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If so, why didn't they produce the body to instantly destroy any notion of a resurrection? The Pharisees would have loved it if they could have - hence they insisted on the Roman guard around the tomb to prevent the very thing that you suggest. In any case such a dereliction of duty on the part of the Roman soldiers would have meant a death sentence for them.

Through out history there has been dereliction of duty and soldiers executed so big deal.

[Gofer Blue]

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Through out history there has been dereliction of duty and soldiers executed so big deal.

So they would be prepared to die for allowing grave robbers to steal the body of a Jew! Pull the other one....

Next thing you'll be saying that is was the disciples "wot dun it" - another well known and laughable conspiracy theory.

[jon1959]

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If so, why didn't they produce the body to instantly destroy any notion of a resurrection? The Pharisees would have loved it if they could have - hence they insisted on the Roman guard around the tomb to prevent the very thing that you suggest. In any case such a dereliction of duty on the part of the Roman soldiers would have meant a death sentence for them.

I don't really want to get drawn into this silly argument - but the 'instantly destroy any notion' is far from instant.

The so called evidence of someone becoming undead was written 35-60 years after the event. By devotees. Based mainly on hearsay. Then transmitted by word of mouth and storytelling. Then translated or (as it is now often known) mistranslated by semi literate scribes working across multiple languages (Hebrew, Greek, Latin and then modern European languages).

The idea that this alleged event was recorded instantly rather than re-imagined one or two generations later is laughable!

Sorry for interrupting your Sherlock impersonation.

[Gofer Blue]

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I don't really want to get drawn into this silly argument - but the 'instantly destroy any notion' is far from instant.

The so called evidence of someone becoming undead was written 35-60 years after the event. By devotees. Based mainly on hearsay. Then transmitted by word of mouth and storytelling. Then translated or (as it is now often known) mistranslated by semi literate scribes working across multiple languages (Hebrew, Greek, Latin and then modern European languages).

The idea that this alleged event was recorded instantly rather than re-imagined one or two generations later is laughable!

Sorry for interrupting your Sherlock impersonation.

I think you have misread what I wrote. I did not say that the resurrection was recorded instantly. What I am saying is, if the authorities at the time (the Romans and the Pharisees) could have produced the dead body of Jesus shortly after his death, then the resurrection would have been instantly disproved and that would have been the end of Christianity before it ever really got going.

The idea that somehow such a significant event would be “reimagined” 35 years or so later is laughable. If you asked me if anything of significance happened in January 1990 (35 years ago) I would not be able to recall a single thing. Yet if you asked me if anything significant happened in January 1982 (43 years ago) I would immediately be able to tell you exactly what happened and in great detail. It snowed for two days non-stop and we were stranded in our bungalow with drifts approximately 8 feet deep right up to the gutters. The car was completely buried on the drive. The snow lingered on the ground for at least a month. I could go on.

As further examples I can vividly remember the exact day my grandfather died (26 September 1965), the week in which both my in-laws died (last week of June 1981), the day my father died (27 December 1997), and the day my mother died (7 March 2002), each in great detail.

If anyone of these came back to life after 3 days, can anyone seriously suggest that I would not remember that or invent it? 1st century people were well acquainted with death, they knew very well when someone was dead and they did not expect dead people to come alive after 3 days. So to make such a claim would indeed be foolish to say the least.

There is no way that any one of those early disciples would have forgotten the events of that first Easter and then somehow “re-imagined” or invented them 35 years later, or someone might have somehow “mistranslated” such basic information!

[jeepster]

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I think you have misread what I wrote. I did not say that the resurrection was recorded instantly. What I am saying is, if the authorities at the time (the Romans and the Pharisees) could have produced the dead body of Jesus shortly after his death, then the resurrection would have been instantly disproved and that would have been the end of Christianity before it ever really got going.

The idea that somehow such a significant event would be “reimagined” 35 years or so later is laughable. If you asked me if anything of significance happened in January 1990 (35 years ago) I would not be able to recall a single thing. Yet if you asked me if anything significant happened in January 1982 (43 years ago) I would immediately be able to tell you exactly what happened and in great detail. It snowed for two days non-stop and we were stranded in our bungalow with drifts approximately 8 feet deep right up to the gutters. The car was completely buried on the drive. The snow lingered on the ground for at least a month. I could go on.

As further examples I can vividly remember the exact day my grandfather died (26 September 1965), the week in which both my in-laws died (last week of June 1981), the day my father died (27 December 1997), and the day my mother died (7 March 2002), each in great detail.

If anyone of these came back to life after 3 days, can anyone seriously suggest that I would not remember that or invent it? 1st century people were well acquainted with death, they knew very well when someone was dead and they did not expect dead people to come alive after 3 days. So to make such a claim would indeed be foolish to say the least.

There is no way that any one of those early disciples would have forgotten the events of that first Easter and then somehow “re-imagined” or invented them 35 years later, or someone might have somehow “mistranslated” such basic information!

But none of it is factual is it.
People write books about the trouble down the football all bs

[truthpaste]

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But none of it is factual is it.
People write books about the trouble down the football all bs

So apart from wishful thinking, what are you basing your conclusion on exactly?

[jon1959]

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So apart from wishful thinking, what are you basing your conclusion on exactly?

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[truthpaste]

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For someone who has nothing to add to such matters and can only declare them as pointless, you are obviously obliged to turn up at regular intervals and display your banner :hehe:

[jon1959]

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For someone who has nothing to add to such matters and can only declare them as pointless, you are obviously obliged to turn up at regular intervals and display your banner :hehe:

I know, I find it almost impossible to contribute to discussions of magic and invisible friends.

But sometimes (just now and then) one of your vacuous statements of contradictory and very unintended irony, where self-awareness can be nothing but a distant dream, justifies a little reminder that up isn't down, that wrong isn't right, and that blind faith is not proof. The knots you tie yourself in are painful to see.

I see it as a small kindness that maybe will draw you away from the potions and spells and into the real world. Natural not supernatural is where it's at! And it can be completely fascinating and fulfilling and meaningful without recourse to fairy stories.

(I do like your use of the word 'banner', though. Very good. :thumbup:)

:hehe:

[truthpaste]

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I know, I find it almost impossible to contribute to discussions of magic and invisible friends.
The knots you tie yourself in are painful to see. I see it as a small kindness that maybe will draw you away from the potions and spells and into the real world.

Well you are as compelled to air your 'truth' as much as the next man, but quit with the 'I find it almost impossible to contribute' line because nobody is buying it; your god demands you turn up as much as the Creator sends His representatives to air His declarations for people to examine, trust or discard. And so you do, bringing 100% scorn and 0% content.

Neither does God expect blind faith, you speak of potions and spells, but what of the blind faith you place in the 'big bang' and having no explanation for the complexities of DNA, supposedly from simple (unexplained) life forms? Also you have zero explanation for the setting for the ‘big bang’ - yet at the same time scoff at those who provide an alternative account because they have somehow departed from the 'real world', that real world whose origins you cannot even explain yourself!