Senedd Election 2026

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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It absolutely IS bigoted to hate people based on things they are not, which is what you have done on several occasions now. The lack of self awareness is off the scale.

It’s bigoted to hate racists?

[JamesWales]

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It’s bigoted to hate racists?

Its bigoted to make blanket untrue statements about huge groups of people because of one characteristic, and then exploit the issue of race for your own gain, yes. You also did it about English people. Two bigot points for you today! You are on a hatrick! Anything wild to say about old people or women, perhaps?!

[JamesWales]

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Starmer won because he wasn’t a Tory, simple as that. The electorate have never liked Starmer, a few don’t because they had seen what he’d done after acquiring the Labour leadership, but I’d say the majority of them were prepared to give him a chance as PM and were hopeful that Labour’s endless droning on about “change” during the election campaign would be realised. Well, Labour delivered on the change by proposing a set of deeply unpopular measures, which would only raise relatively small amounts, that were not only mean spirited, cruel and malicious, they were also extremely stupid - someone like Blair who, whatever you may think of him, is a savvy politician, would never have gone anywhere near them.

I’ve never known a time when the country was so desperate for change as it is now because, apart from the favoured few who just richer and richer no matter what the economic circumstances, life is more shittier for them now than it was fifteen years ago.Although Labour tried to change things by behaving nothing like any other Labour Government I’ve known before, they also seemed to ignore their base. For example, their leader started making Enoch Powell like speeches and then said oh I didn’t realise when this was pointed out to him.

Worse still, Starmer, and a few others in the Cabinet, soon started accepting “freebies” just like those who the country had been so keen to boot out only a few weeks earlier. People defend Starmer by saying things like what’s a pair of glasses against £5 million quid, but, for me, it’s the fact that a pair of glasses is such a mundane, every day thing that everybody pays up for which makes Starmer’s expecting of and then accepting a free pair all the worse.

People, not altogether surprisingly, start looking elsewhere when they see little hope in their lives and, in such times, grifters like Trump, Farage and Johnson come to the fore by attacking “them” - that is, some group of “outsiders” that are in a minority. Believe it or believe it not, I’ve had a couple of conversations since polling day on Thursday that suggest this is bringing about a new reality which those who we have chosen to run the country since 2010 should be ashamed of. If, heaven forbid, we end up with Nigel Farage PM, it’ll be down to the failings of the likes of David Cameron, Nick Clegg, George Osbourne, Theresa May, Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

I largely agree with you. My point though is that Starmer did claim the centre ground and won an election. I don't think Farage can do that. Other Reform candidates probably can, but I don't think Farage can.

[jon1959]

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Oh give over, Starmer hasn't blamed immigrants or welfare claimants for anything, he recognises the economic and societal effects of both. He also hasn't 'attacked the poor', this is just childish hyperbole.

As for reaching across, labour won seats in 2024 that I thought they could never win, my old seat Hertford + Stortford being one. Yep the soft Tory vote was killed off because of Brexit and those people won't switch to reform but Labour were inconsequential in those kinds of areas and became the default other choice precisely because they weren't a risk like they were under Corbyn.

You often talk sense Eric - or at least make an interesting argument - but that is just a rag bag of waffle and excuses.

Since Starmer became PM the wealthiest 10% of households in the UK have seen their 'discretionary income' (not tied to fixed housing and transport costs) rise by over 10%; the poorest 40% have seen theirs drop by over 2%. That is a result of government decisions - especially around maintaining the 2 child UC cap until April and the DWP agenda against many welfare recipients.

And when Starmer went full Enoch in May last year he was not 'recognising economic and societal effects' of immigration - he was blowing a massive dog whistle for the racists and xenophobes who are attracted to Farage and Tice.

Labour won a lot of seats in 2024 but not because Starmer connected with non-Labour voters. He got the seats, he didn't get the votes. If there was some switching to Labour from Remain Tories, there was far more switching from Labour to independents, Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid and in some cases Reform. No way can 2024 be spun as a victory for Starmer and McSweeney's Labour Party pitch. It represented a further electoral retreat that because of the way non-Labour votes split produced a freak landslide in seats. This was not Blair in 1997 or 2001 - there was no winning of heats and minds and no popular surge.

(I agree that questions of tax and welfare sustainability, and of the costs/benefits of immigration need to be discussed and translated into new policy choices - hopefully on the basis of a public consensus that comes out of a serious national conversation - but Starmer is not doing that and seems to have very little interest in policy or even politics.)

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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Its bigoted to make blanket untrue statements about huge groups of people because of one characteristic, and then exploit the issue of race for your own gain, yes. You also did it about English people. Two bigot points for you today! You are on a hatrick! Anything wild to say about old people or women, perhaps?!

Man who backs far right racist party not happy with being called out for what he is

[JamesWales]

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Man who backs far right racist party not happy with being called out for what he is

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[Eric Cartman]

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You often talk sense Eric - or at least make an interesting argument - but that is just a rag bag of waffle and excuses.

Since Starmer became PM the wealthiest 10% of households in the UK have seen their 'discretionary income' (not tied to fixed housing and transport costs) rise by over 10%; the poorest 40% have seen theirs drop by over 2%. That is a result of government decisions - especially around maintaining the 2 child UC cap until April and the DWP agenda against many welfare recipients.

And when Starmer went full Enoch in May last year he was not 'recognising economic and societal effects' of immigration - he was blowing a massive dog whistle for the racists and xenophobes who are attracted to Farage and Tice.

Labour won a lot of seats in 2024 but not because Starmer connected with non-Labour voters. He got the seats, he didn't get the votes. If there was some switching to Labour from Remain Tories, there was far more switching from Labour to independents, Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid and in some cases Reform. No way can 2024 be spun as a victory for Starmer and McSweeney's Labour Party pitch. It represented a further electoral retreat that because of the way non-Labour votes split produced a freak landslide in seats. This was not Blair in 1997 or 2001 - there was no winning of heats and minds and no popular surge.

(I agree that questions of tax and welfare sustainability, and of the costs/benefits of immigration need to be discussed and translated into new policy choices - hopefully on the basis of a public consensus that comes out of a serious national conversation - but Starmer is not doing that and seems to have very little interest in policy or even politics.)

I'm just bored of hyperbole, you can fairly accuse Starmer of inaction on things but 'attack' is just ridiculous, I see him more as a deer in the headlights and there are plenty of policy choices that back that up.

'Since Starmer became PM the wealthiest 10% of households in the UK have seen their 'discretionary income' (not tied to fixed housing and transport costs) rise by over 10%; the poorest 40% have seen theirs drop by over 2%. That is a result of government decisions - especially around maintaining the 2 child UC cap until April and the DWP agenda against many welfare recipients.'

That's an interesting stat but I would need to know more to comment (what and who is/isn't included). 'household' stats have always seemed a bit of a minefield to me given the shift in living arrangements (it probably made sense when people got married at 22 and bought a 3 bed house for 6p).

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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A 13 year olds response.

You voted for a party that has an elected councillor who suggested melting Nigerians to fill potholes on our roads. Councillors that stood for BNP . Numerous antisemetic comments from various councillors. Someone elected that celebrated the sexual assault of a Sikh woman. I could go on. But as I’ve started previously there’s zero point.

When you grow up you’ll look back in years to come ashamed of the time you have spent sticking up for Reform. Then again you may not as a lot of people tend to move further and further right as they become older. You do you but own what you are

[JamesWales]

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A 13 year olds response.

You voted for a party that has an elected councillor who suggested melting Nigerians to fill potholes on our roads. Councillors that stood for BNP . Numerous antisemetic comments from various councillors. Someone elected that celebrated the sexual assault of a Sikh woman. I could go on. But as I’ve started previously there’s zero point.

When you grow up you’ll look back in years to come ashamed of the time you have spent sticking up for Reform. Then again you may not as a lot of people tend to move further and further right as they become older. You do you but own what you are

Its an apt response to a laughable and inaccurate post.

You are blaming an entire group of people (millions of them) for the actions of a small number.

Who did you vote for, so I can play the same game you have just done. Go on, let us know.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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Its an apt response to a laughable and inaccurate post.

You are blaming an entire group of people (millions of them) for the actions of a small number.

Who did you vote for, so I can play the same game you have just done. Go on, let us know.

I’m not blaming them for the actions. I’m blaming them for voting for people who hold such views. There’s a difference

[JamesWales]

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I’m not blaming them for the actions. I’m blaming them for voting for people who hold such views. There’s a difference

Again, who did you vote for?

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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Again, who did you vote for?

I’m sure you can work it out

[blue sky]

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A 13 year olds response.

You voted for a party that has an elected councillor who suggested melting Nigerians to fill potholes on our roads. Councillors that stood for BNP . Numerous antisemetic comments from various councillors. Someone elected that celebrated the sexual assault of a Sikh woman. I could go on. But as I’ve started previously there’s zero point.

When you grow up you’ll look back in years to come ashamed of the time you have spent sticking up for Reform. Then again you may not as a lot of people tend to move further and further right as they become older. You do you but own what you are

If you voted for Labour you voted for a party that lied to initiate an illegal war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, a party that appointed a known friend of a notorious pedophile to be ambassador to the USA. The words and actions of a few thick racists in Reform pale into insignificance compared to the past actions of Labour, the Tories and LibDems (who both supported the disastrous attack on Libya).

As for Plaid Cymru, they are as independent as Wales is ie not at all and control of the party lies in pro-EU factions in London, Brussels and Berlin. The naivety of the commentary on this MB is jawdropping. Do you really think that London would loosen its grip on its oldest and most precious (economically, security-wise, and geopolitically) possession?

Looooooooooooooooool!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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A 13 year olds response.

You voted for a party that has an elected councillor who suggested melting Nigerians to fill potholes on our roads. Councillors that stood for BNP . Numerous antisemetic comments from various councillors. Someone elected that celebrated the sexual assault of a Sikh woman. I could go on. But as IÂ’ve started previously thereÂ’s zero point.

When you grow up youÂ’ll look back in years to come ashamed of the time you have spent sticking up for Reform. Then again you may not as a lot of people tend to move further and further right as they become older. You do you but own what you are

Its staggering the amount of racists in the reform party , the apologies for posts online or past behaviour is like a roll call

Theres more than just a few daft racists and its pathetic to hear supposedly intelligent people who vote for them compare this to similar behaviour in other parties .....its completely off the scale in reform

The good thing is they were stopped in Wales

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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If you voted for Labour you voted for a party that lied to initiate an illegal war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, a party that appointed a known friend of a notorious pedophile to be ambassador to the USA. The words and actions of a few thick racists in Reform pale into insignificance compared to the past actions of Labour, the Tories and LibDems (who both supported the disastrous attack on Libya).

As for Plaid Cymru, they are as independent as Wales is ie not at all and control of the party lies in pro-EU factions in London, Brussels and Berlin. The naivety of the commentary on this MB is jawdropping. Do you really think that London would loosen its grip on its oldest and most precious (economically, security-wise, and geopolitically) possession?

Looooooooooooooooool!!!

Laughing at that Plaid Cymru retort as a response to someone wanting to melt Nigerians on the spot amongst a load of other racist nonsense. Jog on sunshine