Palestine Action

[jon1959]

Re: Palestine Action

When Jack Straw (as Home Secretary under the first Blair government) introduced the Terrorism Act in 2000 he defined 'terrorism'.

“Terrorism involves the threat or use of serious violence for political, religious or ideological ends. It … aims to create a climate of extreme fear”

That has been used to proscribe a direct action protest group who use no violence. Yes, that is the sound of jack boots getting closer!

[Dorcus]

Re: Palestine Action

When Jack Straw (as Home Secretary under the first Blair government) introduced the Terrorism Act in 2000 he defined 'terrorism'.

“Terrorism involves the threat or use of serious violence for political, religious or ideological ends. It … aims to create a climate of extreme fear”

That has been used to proscribe a direct action protest group who use no violence. Yes, that is the sound of jack boots getting closer!

Any form of dissent shall be purged completely and ruthlessly.

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Just like Keir and Lammy changed their minds about Trump only this time over a shorter time period.

It's almost as if being in opposition and being in government are two different things?!

[Coyote]

Re: Palestine Action

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gd3pkr9x1o

Authoritarianism is here. **** the neoliberal order and **** the ultra-capitalist vultures of the right who want to make everything worse. All you're doing is making people hate you even more, not scaring them into thinking genocide is actually acceptable.

[jon1959]

Re: Palestine Action

More than 20 people holding signs referencing Palestine Action have been arrested by police in London a day after the group was banned as a terrorist organisation.

The direct action protest group was banned on Friday after a last-minute legal attempt to suspend the group’s proscription under anti-terrorism laws failed. It means that, from Saturday, being a member of, or expressing support for, the organisation became a criminal offence, punishable by up to 14 years in prison.

The campaign group Defend Our Juries, which organised the demonstration, said “a priest, an emeritus professor and a number of health professionals” were among those arrested.

More than two dozen people gathered close to the statue of Mahatma Gandhi in Parliament Square, holding signs that appeared to express support for the group.

At about 1.40pm, Metropolitan police officers began arresting people who were holding the signs.

In a statement on X, the Met said: “Officers have arrested more than 20 people on suspicion of offences under the Terrorism Act 2000. They have been taken into custody. Palestine Action is a proscribed group and officers will act where criminal offences are committed.”

A spokesperson for Defend Our Juries said: “We commend the counter-terrorism police for their decisive action in protecting the people of London from some cardboard signs opposing the genocide in Gaza and expressing support for those taking action to prevent it. It’s a relief to know that counter-terrorism police have nothing better to do.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/05/palestine-action-activists-arrested-london-gandhi-statue

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Palestine Action

Violent application of red paint?

What about this group of 'terrorists' who are planning to break the law in rural Dorset? The crime of trespass - like those Palestine Action monsters!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/04/peaceful-trespass-bridehead-dorset-beauty-spot-owners-shut-path

In your words: 'when something steps into being violent or criminal then it is no longer peaceful' so I hope for full condemnation of this violent plan to have a picnic, sing songs and carry out a writing workshop.

Trespass is a civil matter not a crime

Unless you cause damage during the trespass.

So there is no comparison between the Palestinian Action incidents and this.

[Coyote]

Re: Palestine Action

I must have missed being taught graffiti is terrorism.

[Dorcus]

Re: Palestine Action

I must have missed being taught graffiti is terrorism.

A Fascist state can deem anything terrorism if it fails to coincide with state ideals.

[jon1959]

Re: Palestine Action

Trespass is a civil matter not a crime

Unless you cause damage during the trespass.

So there is no comparison between the Palestinian Action incidents and this.

Didn't you read the piece?

They were planning to sing songs - how more disruptive (criminal) do you want?

I think you're in serious danger of coming across as a terrorist sympathiser here, Elwood!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Palestine Action

Trespass is a civil matter not a crime

Unless you cause damage during the trespass.

So there is no comparison between the Palestinian Action incidents and this.

I think you are discussing two different events. You, the incursion onto the base where at least criminal damage took place. And Jon, the arrest of 20 Palestine Action sympathisers post their legal proscription for singing supportive songs.

Interesting Times!

[Dorcus]

Re: Palestine Action

[QUOTE=cyril evans awaydays;5598996]I think you are discussing two different events. You, the incursion onto the base where at least criminal damage took place. And Jon, the arrest of 20 Palestine Action sympathisers post their legal proscription for singing supportive songs.

Interesting Times![/QUOTE

Lisa Nandy wants heads to roll at the BBC for their airing a documentary sympathetic to the genocide in Gaza. I think this dreadful government will ban any songs which don't conform to their pragmatism.

[Dorcus]

Re: Palestine Action

It's almost as if being in opposition and being in government are two different things?!

That's far too glib. Are you suggesting political parties should not be able to bullshit and hoodwink voters when in opposition, always intending to take a diametrically opposed stance when in government? If so, I totally agree; there should be laws against it.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Palestine Action

I think you are discussing two different events. You, the incursion onto the base where at least criminal damage took place. And Jon, the arrest of 20 Palestine Action sympathisers post their legal proscription for singing supportive songs.

Interesting Times!

No, in the post I replied to, Jon starts with the words 'Violent application of red paint ' which refers to the Brize Norton incident, not the one he mentions in a separate post referring to the Palestinian action group ( who in the separate post from Jon were carrying placards not singing)

Thus I took him to be comparing the Brize Norton incident to the Dorset protest the Guardian piece he mentions is talking about which, to me, is a nonsense.


If he wants to compare the Dorset protest to the Palestinian Action group and their placards that is a more valid comparison.

But it depends on what the placards said, ( and in the interest of justice, which songs are being sung in the Dorset protests ) which we don't know from Jon's posts

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Palestine Action

Didn't you read the piece?

They were planning to sing songs - how more disruptive (criminal) do you want?

I think you're in serious danger of coming across as a terrorist sympathiser here, Elwood!

Yes I read the piece.

See my response to Cyril which I posted just before this one.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Palestine Action

From two years ago;

https://www.bigissue.com/news/activism/uks-civil-liberties-rating-downgraded-thanks-to-government-crackdowns-on-protests-elections-and-strikes/

From three days ago;

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-uk-is-no-longer-an-open-country-for-free-expression/

While, all the time, we get rows over non violent demonstrations on RAF property, some mediocre singer shouting "death to the IDF".and 83 year olds arrested for what exactly? Holding the wrong sort of placard it seems.

https://x.com/nicky_NoPasaran/status/1941638537633280435

Meanwhile, the aforementioned IDF are shooting at children queueing for food at one of those stations set up by Israel and the USA because they're disatisfied with the provisions set in place by the UN and it's those who demonstrate against this atrocity that Starmer's Labour, cheered on by the likes of Badenoch and Farage, throws the weight of the state against!