Palestine Action

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Is this the graffiti sprayed on Churchill statue?

If so, what was the racial element of the criminal damage.

Sorry, yes, forgot to post the link. You'll have to ask the Metropolitan Police, but presumably related to some word being anti-Jewish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07jm1kp228o

[Dorcus]

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Sorry, yes, forgot to post the link. You'll have to ask the Metropolitan Police, but presumably related to some word being anti-Jewish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07jm1kp228o

Thanks, I thought it was something serious like a Jewish person being attacked, which I would outright condemn. However, it turns out some stone configuration was subtly repainted. Hmmm, panic over!

[jon1959]

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Sorry, yes, forgot to post the link. You'll have to ask the Metropolitan Police, but presumably related to some word being anti-Jewish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07jm1kp228o

What do you reckon was anti Semitic, James?

Or even more to the point, what was ‘anti Jewish’?

Was it ‘Zionist’? Was it ‘war criminal’? Or was it ‘Stop the genocide’?

[JamesWales]

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Thanks, I thought it was something serious like a Jewish person being attacked, which I would outright condemn. However, it turns out some stone configuration was subtly repainted. Hmmm, panic over!

I don't think things always need to be violent to be considered racist.

EDIT: seems it was the use of Globalise the Intifada that took it from being grossly offensive and ignorant to being considered racist.

[Jordi Culé]

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Sorry, yes, forgot to post the link. You'll have to ask the Metropolitan Police, but presumably related to some word being anti-Jewish.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07jm1kp228o

'Zionist War Criminal'

?

Edit:

Just seen your above post.

[jon1959]

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I don't think things always need to be violent to be considered racist.

EDIT: seems it was the use of Globalise the Intifada that took it from being grossly offensive and ignorant to being considered racist.

‘Intifada’ means ‘shake off the chains’.

Sad old world where the Met Police and you consider that to be racist.

[JamesWales]

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‘Intifada’ means ‘shake off the chains’.

Sad old world where the Met Police and you consider that to be racist.

I didn't say it was actually. Typically aimed at one religion though isn't it, certainly interpreted that way.

But you are right, we are in strange times. Last week people were racist merely for criticising Eni Aluko of course, so I guess the bar is lower than it used to be.

[Dorcus]

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I don't think things always need to be violent to be considered racist.

EDIT: seems it was the use of Globalise the Intifada that took it from being grossly offensive and ignorant to being considered racist.

Fair point but I don't see anything racist in the link you've posted. I'm struggling to get your beef

[JamesWales]

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Fair point but I don't see anything racist in the link you've posted. I'm struggling to get your beef

Well it's criminal damage to a statue of a man who was instrumental in defending a free Europe and defeating fascism, so on any level its pretty grim. With the slogans many consider racist it's even more so.

[Dorcus]

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I don't think things always need to be violent to be considered racist.

EDIT: seems it was the use of Globalise the Intifada that took it from being grossly offensive and ignorant to being considered racist.

By the way what could possibly be offensive about the term "Globalise the Intifada"? Wow! I interpret that as the appeal to direct global power to defend the wanton slaughter of innocents!!! I know you are a parody account but how could anyone object to that?

[Jordi Culé]

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I didn't say it was actually. Typically aimed at one religion though isn't it, certainly interpreted that way.

But you are right, we are in strange times. Last week people were racist merely for criticising Eni Aluko of course, so I guess the bar is lower than it used to be.

There was a City fanzine called Intifada.

Didn't think them calling Clemo a cuunt at the time was racist but I know better now.

[Dorcus]

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Well it's criminal damage to a statue of a man who was instrumental in defending a free Europe and defeating fascism, so on any level its pretty grim. With the slogans many consider racist it's even more so.

Maybe so but in an ethical World it shouldn't be. It's only a representation in stone. That stone figure wouldn't feel anything if it were blown apart, contrary to thousands of innocent Gazans. Shirley you should be a tad more reverential?

[jon1959]

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Well it's criminal damage to a statue of a man who was instrumental in defending a free Europe and defeating fascism, so on any level its pretty grim. With the slogans many consider racist it's even more so.

I don’t deny there has been a cult if Churchill in this country for over 80 years, but many people around the world (and a significant minority in this country) regard him as a racist and a war criminal. I recommend Tariq Ali’s book on Churchill if you have any interest in the reasons for that opinion.

The South Wales coalfield was not the centre of his fan club either.

[jon1959]

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I didn't say it was actually. Typically aimed at one religion though isn't it, certainly interpreted that way.

But you are right, we are in strange times. Last week people were racist merely for criticising Eni Aluko of course, so I guess the bar is lower than it used to be.

Zionism is not a religion - it is a political ideology.

Many Jewish people are Zionist - maybe still a majority although that is changing fast (certainly outside Israel and especially in the USA). But many Jewish people identify as non-Zionist or anti-Zionist.

Most Zionists in the world are evangelical Christians.

There are even a few Zionist atheists who promote a racist ideology for their own political or cultural ends.

The choice many politicians and media owners make to equate Zionism with Judaism is itself profoundly anti Semitic. Hopefully the tide is turning on that.

[JamesWales]

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I don’t deny there has been a cult if Churchill in this country for over 80 years, but many people around the world (and a significant minority in this country) regard him as a racist and a war criminal. I recommend Tariq Ali’s book on Churchill if you have any interest in the reasons for that opinion.

The South Wales coalfield was not the centre of his fan club either.

Yes, we know that no one is all good or all bad. It's always a mix, but he was instrumental in defeating fascism an ex ultimately saving millions of lives.

That doesn't make it acceptable, does it?