Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

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If only life was that simple. Spending money on Benefits and social care is very expensive. Spend the money on these things and people will complain that money isn't being spent on infrastructure and the things that provide employment. It's impossible to keep everyone happy.

Past Labour governments have found that as have the Tories.

What everyone agrees on is that the current system is very unfair. I recall a time when my mother had to go into a care home; she was blind, immobile and in a virtual coma for 2 years before she died. She was a teacher when young enough to work and had paid into the system for very many years. Her house had to be sold to pay care fees yet the bloke in the room next door had his care for free. How is that fair? To come up with a fair system to suit everyone is virtually impossible. That was when a Labour government was in power. I fail to understand how you think a left of centre government would sort this particular problem out.

Where the Tories have gone wrong on this is where Johnson said he had a ready made solution which I doubt was the case although the pandemic seems to have come to his rescue on this occasion.

Sorry to hear about mum , I am going through the same process at the moment

Maybe the bloke in the room next door worked for the council on highways keeping us moving , retired early through arthritis at 45 , had no savings and dementia kicked in , we can't leave these people to rot

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Stability like Brexit?

thats going to be a right ding dong

[life on mars]

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thats going to be a right ding dong

We won't know in the short term how successful , unsuccesful stable Brexit will be ,we have seen some signs of positiveness with the creation of Freeports , vaccination program and we may see greater ability flexibility to self fund ailing industries like steel .

To date we not seen mass supply issues or large businesses moving away creating high unemployment.

It's certainly very early days.

[LeningradCowboy]

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I looked up "woke" in an online dictionary, it said;-

"alert to injustice in society, especially racism."

The OED defines it as:-

"originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice".

Now, I would be quite pleased to have someone describe me in such a manner, in fact, I'd be proud. However, now it appears on the ticlkist that all right wingers appear to use these days, it seems to be used more in a negative way with the person being described as "woke" being someone who should be despised - given how the term is defined in dictionaries, that says so much about the people who use the term in such a way nowadays.

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We won't know in the short term how successful , unsuccesful stable Brexit will be ,we have seen some signs of positiveness with the creation of Freeports , vaccination program and we may see greater ability flexibility to self fund ailing industries like steel .

To date we not seen mass supply issues or large businesses moving away creating high unemployment.

It's certainly very early days.

It is early days but supply issues are beginning to bite in the construction industry, a few I’ve spoken to are showing concern. The work itself is there but you can’t pull your socks up if you haven’t got any, the gradual drying up of materials will definitely result in the laying off of labour leading to huge blow to the much hoped for post covid recovery.

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It is early days but supply issues are beginning to bite in the construction industry, a few I’ve spoken to are showing concern. The work itself is there but you can’t pull your socks up if you haven’t got any, the gradual drying up of materials will definitely result in the laying off of labour leading to huge blow to the much hoped for post covid recovery.

Is that a Brexit problem or a global supply shortage though?

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see my other post. as people age they don't want "radical" policies, they want stability.

My old Mam used to be a conformist, church-going, Lib Dem voter.

Once she passed 80 she became a rabid Labour voting feminist who wanted to give Boris a smack every time he came on TV!

Just saying!

[life on mars]

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Is that a Brexit problem or a global supply shortage though?

This ain't helping

https://qz.com/1985276/america-is-running-short-of-wood/

[life on mars]

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My old Mam used to be a conformist, church-going, Lib Dem voter.

Once she passed 80 she became a rabid Labour voting feminist who wanted to give Boris a smack every time he came on TV!

Just saying!

My dear old mum sadly passed now was a lovely , gentle , poor but generous charitable lady , who voted Tory all her life , nastiness never crossed her mind.

Just saying.

[the other bob wilson]

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My dear old mum sadly passed now was a lovely , gentle , poor but generous charitable lady , who voted Tory all her life , nastiness never crossed her mind.

Just saying.

She voted for the party that a former Conservative Prime Minister described as the “nasty party” then.

To go back to the original point, there are always exceptions, for example, my mum was a Tory until she was a thirty and then she heard Harold McMillan telling she’d never had it so good and immediately became a Labour voter who became more left wing as she got older, but I’d say that, generally speaking, people become more right wing/selfish as they get older.

[the other bob wilson]

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So, are you saying that LOM meant his use of woke as a compliment?

[life on mars]

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The history in Hartlepool is fascinating as political trends go

1997 > 26k Huge Peter Mandelson Labour win ,only 3 parties standing then Tories with 18k in second place
2004 > 12.7k Labour win
2005 > 18.2k Labour win ( Tories in 3rd place with 4k )
2010 > 16.2k Labour win ( Tories into 2nd with 10.7k)
2015 > 15.1k Labour win ( Tories back to 3rd place with 8.2k , Brexit Party 2nd with 11k )
2017 > 21.8k Labour win ( Tories back into 2nd with 14.3k)
2019 > 15.4k Labour win ( Tories 2nd with 11.8k )
2021 > 15.2k Tory Win ( Labour 2nd with 8.5k )

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My old Mam used to be a conformist, church-going, Lib Dem voter.

Once she passed 80 she became a rabid Labour voting feminist who wanted to give Boris a smack every time he came on TV!

Just saying!

you can only begin to imagine my shock at reading this.

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She voted for the party that a former Conservative Prime Minister described as the “nasty party” then.

To go back to the original point, there are always exceptions, for example, my mum was a Tory until she was a thirty and then she heard Harold McMillan telling she’d never had it so good and immediately became a Labour voter who became more left wing as she got older, but I’d say that, generally speaking, people become more right wing/selfish as they get older.

why is it selfish? This is something the left continually trot out about conservative voters, but conservatism isn't about self at all - that's a myth peddled by the left who think they are somehow making those on the right feel bad.

Having a party that promotes individual freedoms, actively encourages business and maintains the institutions of society isn't selfish, its going about things a different way.

Your comment is lazy and is akin to saying Labour voters are work shy preferring to receive benefits off the back of those that work.

Left and right are two different approaches to the same problem, none are perfect, on some occasions left wing approaches work, on others right wing approaches do. you'd have to be pretty naive to think only one method is better than the other - if it was, governments all over the world would be adherents to that particular approach.