Jenrick

[the other bob wilson]

My mind was made up on this guy years ago and it was only confirmed when he ordered that those cartoons at a centre for children of illegal immigrants to be painted over, so I'm not posting this on here to slag him off for what he's doing in this llink, it's more to ask if you think stunts like this would give him a net boost politically?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/jenrick-epping-bell-hotel-migrants-row-labour-5Hjd9nw_2/

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Re: Jenrick

My mind was made up on this guy years ago and it was only confirmed when he ordered that those cartoons at a centre for children of illegal immigrants to be painted over, so I'm not posting this on here to slag him off for what he's doing in this llink, it's more to ask if you think stunts like this would give him a net boost politically?

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/jenric...our-5Hjd9nw_2/

Low life he is

[jon1959]

Re: Jenrick

Most of the chattering classes on TV, podcasts and print seem to think Badenock will be dumped before the next election (some think the same for Starmer - but I'm not convinced).

The only senior Tory actively campaigning to replace her is Jenrick - who almost got the job last time around. He has moved from a 'liberal' Tory under Cameron to the most extreme right winger of the bigger names now - the bridge to Reform and often positions himself to the right of Farage!

I suppose the question is what will the Tory electorate want in a new leadership contest, and who are the remaining Tory members who will have the final say. My guess is that they will vote for the candidate they see as most competent and charismatic - not on the basis of whether or not the candidate wants to cosy up with Reform or out-Reform the Farage gang.

Badenock decided not to chase after Reform - to her slight credit.

Most of the Tory members are elderly, live in the home counties, and have framed portraits of Margaret Thatcher on their walls. Jenrick is doing a lot of stunts for social media, but he is also all over the radio waves and writing columns for the Tory press - so he is putting himself in front of his electorate. I think he is the next Tory leader - and it might happen quite quickly.

I also think he's an unprincipled, cynical, dangerous populist arsehole.

[Dorcus]

Re: Jenrick

Most of the chattering classes on TV, podcasts and print seem to think Badenock will be dumped before the next election (some think the same for Starmer - but I'm not convinced).

The only senior Tory actively campaigning to replace her is Jenrick - who almost got the job last time around. He has moved from a 'liberal' Tory under Cameron to the most extreme right winger of the bigger names now - the bridge to Reform and often positions himself to the right of Farage!

I suppose the question is what will the Tory electorate want in a new leadership contest, and who are the remaining Tory members who will have the final say. My guess is that they will vote for the candidate they see as most competent and charismatic - not on the basis of whether or not the candidate wants to cosy up with Reform or out-Reform the Farage gang.

Badenock decided not to chase after Reform - to her slight credit.

Most of the Tory members are elderly, live in the home counties, and have framed portraits of Margaret Thatcher on their walls. Jenrick is doing a lot of stunts for social media, but he is also all over the radio waves and writing columns for the Tory press - so he is putting himself in front of his electorate. I think he is the next Tory leader - and it might happen quite quickly.

I also think he's an unprincipled, cynical, dangerous populist arsehole.

Dragging the Tories even further into the mire!

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Jenrick

Most of the chattering classes on TV, podcasts and print seem to think Badenock will be dumped before the next election (some think the same for Starmer - but I'm not convinced).

The only senior Tory actively campaigning to replace her is Jenrick - who almost got the job last time around. He has moved from a 'liberal' Tory under Cameron to the most extreme right winger of the bigger names now - the bridge to Reform and often positions himself to the right of Farage!

I suppose the question is what will the Tory electorate want in a new leadership contest, and who are the remaining Tory members who will have the final say. My guess is that they will vote for the candidate they see as most competent and charismatic - not on the basis of whether or not the candidate wants to cosy up with Reform or out-Reform the Farage gang.

Badenock decided not to chase after Reform - to her slight credit.

Most of the Tory members are elderly, live in the home counties, and have framed portraits of Margaret Thatcher on their walls. Jenrick is doing a lot of stunts for social media, but he is also all over the radio waves and writing columns for the Tory press - so he is putting himself in front of his electorate. I think he is the next Tory leader - and it might happen quite quickly.

I also think he's an unprincipled, cynical, dangerous populist arsehole.

There is a generic word for people who fit your last sentence Jon...

Well actually there are three...

Politician Journalist Lawyer.

I should immediately say that there are of course many honourable exceptions in all three categories

But there are far too many who fit your description either in part or completely.

Jenrick is a perfect match

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Jenrick

Very little I disagree with in your replies, but do you think he’s winning many around among the general public/floating voters with what he’s doing? I’d be surprised if he is.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Jenrick

Very little I disagree with in your replies, but do you think he’s winning many around among the general public/floating voters with what he’s doing? I’d be surprised if he is.

I would say probably not but who knows?

The result of the 2019:election has shown that there is a large group of formerly rock solid labour voters who are prepared to vote for a more right wing party in the right circumstances

And reform seem to be moving more towards the centre,even soft left on occasion as they realise that it may benefit them electorally by being softer on some policies while still remaining hard line enough on others to keep most of their more right wing supporters.

Those they do lose may actually benefit them after all.

But a week is a longtime in politics and the next election is up to 4 years away

[jon1959]

Re: Jenrick

Very little I disagree with in your replies, but do you think he’s winning many around among the general public/floating voters with what he’s doing? I’d be surprised if he is.

I think he's trying to occupy the same political space as Farage - and Farage was there first and better at it. He is developing an uncosted appeal to his target audience which is socially conservative if not xenophobic (it often is), but also progressive and collectivist when it comes to nationalisation and other economic policies. He will probably back a wealth tax at some point.

Jenrick does the social conservatism, but still has Thatcherite blood in his veins when it comes to services, essential industries and rewarding the rich for being rich. He doesn't get the other half of the Red Wall equation.

I am sure Jenrick is focussed on his own internal leadership struggle - not yet officially announced - and not much bothered yet about his wider appeal.

But the Tories are irrelevant and a busted flush anyway. I am certain they will collapse even more at the next GE. I can't see how they can recover. They are bleeding support and votes to the left and the right.

Labour have a similar problem, and will surely lose massive numbers of seats at the next GE to Reform and to the Lib Dems, Greens and the Sultana party, but they are in a better situation than the Tories.

[Dorcus]

Re: Jenrick

I think he's trying to occupy the same political space as Farage - and Farage was there first and better at it. He is developing an uncosted appeal to his target audience which is socially conservative if not xenophobic (it often is), but also progressive and collectivist when it comes to nationalisation and other economic policies. He will probably back a wealth tax at some point.

Jenrick does the social conservatism, but still has Thatcherite blood in his veins when it comes to services, essential industries and rewarding the rich for being rich. He doesn't get the other half of the Red Wall equation.

I am sure Jenrick is focussed on his own internal leadership struggle - not yet officially announced - and not much bothered yet about his wider appeal.

But the Tories are irrelevant and a busted flush anyway. I am certain they will collapse even more at the next GE. I can't see how they can recover. They are bleeding support and votes to the left and the right.

Labour have a similar problem, and will surely lose massive numbers of seats at the next GE to Reform and to the Lib Dems, Greens and the Sultana party, but they are in a better situation than the Tories.

I think there will be a concerted effort to "Stop Reform" with strategic tactical voting come the next election. Reform's current polling success places it on a coconut shy for all the other parties and it's likely the result will usher in a coalition government next time round. As you indicated the Tories are way back out in the wilderness and are beyond the point of no return.

[JamesWales]

Re: Jenrick

Not totally sure what he's done wrong here. If the protests are peaceful they are perfectly valid and working class communities are probably more aligned to them than other protests we have seen recently. I

No doubt though, he has spent some months making a name for himself and copying a populist playbook is probably fair to say. Others may say he is just playing the modern media well and getting out there into communities.

He does seem to be to the right ot Badenoch though, who herself is to right of Sunak. Usual times would suggest the Tories should tack to the centre but these aren't normal times. Much of Europe now has two leading parties that are right-wing and centre-right (that's the case for Germany, Austria, French president polls). "The far-right" govern Italy and Hungary, lead in Netherlands, making gains everywhere else. Denmarks social democrat party stands out, but only by being very tough on immigration themselves.

So we aren't in normal times at the moment. We haven't been since 2018, since Merkel opened the borders and since Ukraine. So I can see where he is coming from electorally. Or maybe he is just being honest and talking about what he believes in? I dunno.

His big weakness is that most of what he is criticising was introduced by his party anyway. That means that Reform on the one hand and The Greens, SNP, Plaid and "Your Party" on the other can lump the big two in together and make themselves stand out. The Lib Dems sit in the middle occupying what should be fertile ground but looking a bit weak.

As for Tories being a busted flush. I wouldn't be so sure. Two of the last three polls have them tied in second with Labour and they have picked up a touch. I also think there's a lot of traditional conservatives, fiscally cautious and socially more liberal who will always go for them rather than Reform.

These are extremely interesting times. I would say the range of parties who are hopeful of winning seats has never been higher.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Jenrick

Not totally sure what he's done wrong here. If the protests are peaceful they are perfectly valid and working class communities are probably more aligned to them than other protests we have seen recently. I

No doubt though, he has spent some months making a name for himself and copying a populist playbook is probably fair to say. Others may say he is just playing the modern media well and getting out there into communities.

Hmmm...

https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-racism/jenrick-pictured-with-former-nazi-terror-chief/

[jon1959]

Re: Jenrick

Hmmm...

https://socialistworker.co.uk/anti-r...-terror-chief/

Wow. Even Farage would avoid those sort of associations and endorsements.

Jenrick hasn't finished his journey rightwards it seems! 'By their friends shall ye know them'.

[JamesWales]

Re: Jenrick

Don't play the whataboutery card, James, don't play the whataboutery card, James!🤣

Jenrick does need to watch who he is associated with.

On a more serious note, perhaps the left should stand with concerned often working class communities a little more and not leave a vacuum for others to exploit? 🤷

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Re: Jenrick

I think there will be a concerted effort to "Stop Reform" with strategic tactical voting come the next election. Reform's current polling success places it on a coconut shy for all the other parties and it's likely the result will usher in a coalition government next time round. As you indicated the Tories are way back out in the wilderness and are beyond the point of no return.

Get rid of starmer

Even with a fresh face electoral pacts are the only chance now

Sooner people realise this the better

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Jenrick

Not totally sure what he's done wrong here. If the protests are peaceful they are perfectly valid and working class communities are probably more aligned to them than other protests we have seen recently. I

No doubt though, he has spent some months making a name for himself and copying a populist playbook is probably fair to say. Others may say he is just playing the modern media well and getting out there into communities.

He does seem to be to the right ot Badenoch though, who herself is to right of Sunak. Usual times would suggest the Tories should tack to the centre but these aren't normal times. Much of Europe now has two leading parties that are right-wing and centre-right (that's the case for Germany, Austria, French president polls). "The far-right" govern Italy and Hungary, lead in Netherlands, making gains everywhere else. Denmarks social democrat party stands out, but only by being very tough on immigration themselves.

So we aren't in normal times at the moment. We haven't been since 2018, since Merkel opened the borders and since Ukraine. So I can see where he is coming from electorally. Or maybe he is just being honest and talking about what he believes in? I dunno.

His big weakness is that most of what he is criticising was introduced by his party anyway. That means that Reform on the one hand and The Greens, SNP, Plaid and "Your Party" on the other can lump the big two in together and make themselves stand out. The Lib Dems sit in the middle occupying what should be fertile ground but looking a bit weak.

As for Tories being a busted flush. I wouldn't be so sure. Two of the last three polls have them tied in second with Labour and they have picked up a touch. I also think there's a lot of traditional conservatives, fiscally cautious and socially more liberal who will always go for them rather than Reform.

These are extremely interesting times. I would say the range of parties who are hopeful of winning seats has never been higher.

Hes further to the right than you are