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  • #31
    Re: Jenrick

    Originally posted by William Treseder View Post
    200 is 200 too many.
    There are 900,000 young people out of work in the UK. There are hundreds of thousands of young working Brits who canÂ’t afford to buy their own homes or rented accommodation.
    Public services are being slashed, jails are getting over crowded, NHS is under pressure, not enough police on the streets, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer,
    Consecutive governments are borrowing billions of pounds.We are sending millions of pounds in foreign aid,
    If ordinary people ran their homes and businesses like consecutive governments run the UK, theyÂ’d be homeless and penniless in weeks.
    Why are we as a country, who canÂ’t even look after our own residents properly, taking in migrants in their thousands, on a daily basis ?
    Who is paying for their accommodation, food, clothes, health care etc ?
    We send loads of weapons to Israel , I am not happy about that , for others the economy is the biggest concern

    Immigration , asylum, migrants all of it needs to be dealt with but for some whatever is done will never be enough

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    • #32
      Re: Jenrick

      Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
      IÂ’d say people to the right of Reform are far right, but IÂ’ve not mentioned the hotel protests by name, my point in starting this thread was that I donÂ’t get why Jenrick was pursuing the section of the electorate that he is - it seems to me that heÂ’s likely to lose rather than gain support there.
      If people are prepared to hurl abuse at people in hotels , they are far right as far as I am concerned

      There was a demo outside barry council offices yesterday and some of the idiotic comments and abuse towards old ladies holding anti racist placards up was pathetic

      If these people dont like being called far right then behave like peaceful but concerned individuals rather than self righteous " patriots" , swearing at old people whilst swigging on beer cans

      The term lefty or commie has been thrown around for years so the far right can do one

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      • #33
        Re: Jenrick

        Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
        We send loads of weapons to Israel , I am not happy about that , for others the economy is the biggest concern

        Immigration , asylum, migrants all of it needs to be dealt with but for some whatever is done will never be enough
        How would you deal with the migrant situation ?

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        • #34
          Re: Jenrick

          Originally posted by William Treseder View Post
          How would you deal with the migrant situation ?
          Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

          There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

          Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

          Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

          I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

          That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

          You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that

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          • #35
            Re: Jenrick

            Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
            Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

            There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

            Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

            Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

            I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

            That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

            You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that
            That is my solution to the migrant problem. Stop letting in migrants now. Not tomorrow, now.
            We are an island. It’s easy.
            We have to get our own house in order, before we let any more in.
            Folk like you are so blinkered in their political views that you just can’t be taken seriously.
            Both the Conservatives and Labour, have been absolutely pathetic since the day I was born.

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            • #36
              Re: Jenrick

              Originally posted by William Treseder View Post
              That is my solution to the migrant problem. Stop letting in migrants now. Not tomorrow, now.
              We are an island. ItÂ’s easy.
              We have to get our own house in order, before we let any more in.
              Folk like you are so blinkered in their political views that you just canÂ’t be taken seriously.
              Both the Conservatives and Labour, have been absolutely pathetic since the day I was born.
              So ....

              1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

              2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

              Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?

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              • #37
                Re: Jenrick

                Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                So ....

                1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

                2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

                Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?
                When you get round to it there's something called the law , in this case international law , that is possibly going to be a hurdle to any drastic plans

                Its why farage just stokes the fire and doesnt actually come up with anything

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                • #38
                  Re: Jenrick

                  Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                  So ....

                  1 ....Stop The Boats .....a very small figure of overall migration .....how are you as home secretary , tomorrow , doing this ?

                  2 . Shut the borders to new migrants ....or only illegal migrants ? How are you going to do this ?

                  Airports, trains etc .......more to deal with there ......how are you going to do this ?
                  I’ll let you know after I’ve finished work 👍

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                  • #39
                    Re: Jenrick

                    Originally posted by William Treseder View Post
                    I’ll let you know after I’ve finished work 👍
                    After I’ve had my tea as well. These things can’t be done on an empty belly 👍

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                    • #40
                      Re: Jenrick

                      Originally posted by William Treseder View Post
                      After IÂ’ve had my tea as well. These things canÂ’t be done on an empty belly 👍
                      Try and hurry up , I am washing my hair at 6pm

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                      • #41
                        Re: Jenrick

                        Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                        Try and hurry up , I am washing my hair at 6pm
                        And I'm meeting a boat load of migrants in a posh restaurant at 7 to welcome them to our wonderful country. Has anyone got some bunting and Mickey Mouse murals to spare?

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                        • #42
                          Re: Jenrick

                          Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                          Not by threatening people in hotels or firebombing them

                          There was a huge backlog that this current government.....who we all know are crap....have had to house

                          Even so the number of hotels has dropped from 400 to 200 .....thats a huge reduction but clearly your comment outlines that for some thats not good enough

                          Firstly the migrant situation is always going to be with us and has worsened considerably since we left Europe.....farage was the main pusher for that.....now that's failed hes just blaming the migrants , hes an asshole

                          I would rejoin Europe......but thats not going to happen so Labour ....who havnt been in for a strawberry season are getting blamed for the last 14 years .....this problem didnt start when Starmer took over

                          That being said hes crap , if he can be ousted it would be an idea for a cross party conference or whatever it is they call it to hammer out some realistic policies whilst accepting we will always have immigration

                          You havnt offered any solutions but if its just stop the boats , close the borders , zero net migration etc thats just farage talking which may get him votes but hes not going to be able to do any of that
                          1 - Goes without saying that firebombs and threats are wholly wrong. Any group doing so would be proscribed. You also know that's a mischaracterisation of what's happened.

                          2 - There was - and is - a huge backlog. The numbers arriving has grown. The number of hotels in use has declined from its peak but that nearly entirely happened before the last General Election, so Labour can't claim credit for that.

                          3 - Being "in Europe" isn't the answer. Unless you've been living under a rock for a few years, they are facing the exact same issues, only worse in many cases as they don't have a channel stopping people entering their countries.

                          As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.

                          On top of that some real disincentives are needed. I suspect Labour strongly regret their opposition to the Rwanda scheme now.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Jenrick

                            Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                            1 - Goes without saying that firebombs and threats are wholly wrong. Any group doing so would be proscribed. You also know that's a mischaracterisation of what's happened.

                            2 - There was - and is - a huge backlog. The numbers arriving has grown. The number of hotels in use has declined from its peak but that nearly entirely happened before the last General Election, so Labour can't claim credit for that.

                            3 - Being "in Europe" isn't the answer. Unless you've been living under a rock for a few years, they are facing the exact same issues, only worse in many cases as they don't have a channel stopping people entering their countries.

                            As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.

                            On top of that some real disincentives are needed. I suspect Labour strongly regret their opposition to the Rwanda scheme now.
                            The people who set the Rotherham hotel on fire and others who indulged in rioting and intimidation are in prison and thats great . No other words are necessary , they got exactly what they deserved .

                            I know these days you vote reform so its pointless trying to debate wether trying to burn down a hotel is or is not rioting but the courts put loads away so you keep living in a dreamworld

                            Two Asian thugs attacking the police ......naughty boys , send them to prison .....loads of racists out of control ...oh we have to look at the reasons , let's not be hasty here

                            The labour government, as crap as they are have halved the number of hotels being used ....they absolutely deserve credit for that

                            But its not enough and as you havnt suggested anything apart from Rwanda....which is nonsense .....I will wait for WT to finish his tea and give me stone cold solutions to the migrant situation

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                            • #44
                              Re: Jenrick

                              Originally posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
                              The people who set the Rotherham hotel on fire and others who indulged in rioting and intimidation are in prison and thats great . No other words are necessary , they got exactly what they deserved .

                              I know these days you vote reform so its pointless trying to debate wether trying to burn down a hotel is or is not rioting but the courts put loads away so you keep living in a dreamworld

                              Two Asian thugs attacking the police ......naughty boys , send them to prison .....loads of racists out of control ...oh we have to look at the reasons , let's not be hasty here

                              The labour government, as crap as they are have halved the number of hotels being used ....they absolutely deserve credit for that

                              But its not enough and as you havnt suggested anything apart from Rwanda....which is nonsense .....I will wait for WT to finish his tea and give me stone cold solutions to the migrant situation
                              Nah Labour haven't reduced the hotels. Well, very marginally. The big reduction came before the general election (see full facts below). I don't view that as great either, as it's just shifted people into HMOs, taking much needed housing and paying landlords a much better rate than they otherwise would get!

                              A government minister said 200 hotels have been closed since peak usage under the Conservatives, but most of this decrease took place under the previous government.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Jenrick

                                Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                                Nah Labour haven't reduced the hotels. Well, very marginally. The big reduction came before the general election (see full facts below). I don't view that as great either, as it's just shifted people into HMOs, taking much needed housing and paying landlords a much better rate than they otherwise would get!

                                https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-hotels-labour/
                                So no solutions then , just reform saying they will do something and you clapping

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