OH Angie Baby

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Bump. Like I said, tax evasion and avoidance except he's a very middle class male. Pile on boys...

He could be caught trying to shag the dead queen and reform voters wouldn't care

Hes just the vehicle

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Put your list aside, look at the other parties who IMO are no different in that those at the top of each party are equally dislikeable, politics in the UK to keep it relevant is in a shocking state, i'm sure Ms. Raynor went into politics with a genuine desire to do well and show how someone from a background that most of us come from can achieve in life if dedicated and focused enough and as LLan BB above has alluded to, just fell into the swamp of greed in a very short period of time, i'm pretty sure many would follow suit given the opportunity to cream a little off the top when the carrot is dangled thinking that you would be insulated from being caught, Nigel Farage seems to be getting the treatment at the moment and it would appear that he's dodging tax albeit in a different legal (sic) tax avoidance scheme, where is this going to stop ? with the taxation system in the UK as is there will always be many looking to avoid paying it or reducing it, again its the root cause (excessive tax) that needs addressing, the age old solution of just taxing the rich more and more i don't think is the solution and just leads to tax avoidance via many schemes

They say AI will weed out the lot of them

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There is plenty of schadenfreude on this thread, probably like most threads of a political nature.

Feeling better for someone’s misfortune or getting things wrong.
I posted a few questions to Cyril a little while back, which he answered eloquently…that related to this.

I can’t quite remember but I think my point in questioning was something along the lines of would you rather be wrong in your thinking for the greater good?
There is a a large chance, that isn’t how I put the question or how it was perceived.

Thing is now that politics has become one team against the other (with plenty of other people being left behind thinking WTF?) petty point scoring is what we have as a result.

Has the capability to yield or bend with the wind gone forever when lines have been so deeply drawn in the sand?

Not really gloating at her misfortune moreover how holier than vow she was in the past, when really, given the chance, she’s just a wrong un like so many of them who think they can get away with anything…..like so many of the Tories…..I bet she’s gutted she’s going to miss out on so many back handers now for giving the go ahead to this and that, it’s what they do….serving the public? Yeah rightio

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Rayner was never a Corbynite - as she was very happy to tell anyone who would listen.

She is closely associated with Trevor Chinn - the Labour donor and Israel lobbyist - as are half the Cabinet.

She also actively promoted and amplified the so-called 'anti Semitism crisis' when Corbyn was leader - to undermine him.

She does claim to be a socialist.... but Kier Starmer also made that claim once! Words are cheap.

Corbyn appointed Big Ange to the shadow front bench in 2016 - her first big role - and she was one of only 18 Labour MPs to support Jezza in the leadership election a couple of months later.

So for her to say she was "never a Corbynite" is being a bit economical with the truth.

The name you mentioned is very closely linked to the MP for Cardiff West, as you well know.

Ange was a rival and a likely successor to our deeply unpopular PM. There will be many, many figures within Labour who will be very happy to see the end of her ambitions to lead.

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Corbyn appointed Big Ange to the shadow front bench in 2016 - her first big role - and she was one of only 18 Labour MPs to support Jezza in the leadership election a couple of months later.

So for her to say she was "never a Corbynite" is being a bit economical with the truth.

The name you mentioned is very closely linked to the MP for Cardiff West, as you well know.

Ange was a rival and a likely successor to our deeply unpopular PM. There will be many, many figures within Labour who will be very happy to see the end of her ambitions to lead.

I don't know what you mean about Rayner being 'one of only 18 Labour MPs to support Jezza.....'? In the Chicken Coup there was a 'no confidence' vote of members of the Parliamentary Labour Party. 172 MPs supported the 'no confidence' resolution. Corbyn got 40 votes. Was Rayner one of them? As the sitting leader of the party he didn't need MP nominations to stand (to challenge him) and was automatically on the ballot - up against Owen Smith - and won easily when the membership had a say.

Is 'the name' I mentioned Trevor Chinn? As I said he is closely linked to a lot of senior Labour MPs including Starmer, Cooper and half the Cabinet. Are you saying he has a particularly close relationship to Alex Barros-Curtis (ABC) - the parachuted in Cardiff West MP? ABC was heavily involved in the Starmer moves to expel and expunge Corbynites from Labour after Starmer won the leadership election and stoke the anti Semitism slurs. His reward was Cardiff West.

I agree that a lot of the people around and behind Starmer will be happy to see Rayner gone. They tried before and cocked it up. She has now done it to herself. But in my opinion she has more in common politically with Starmer than Corbyn - despite her flat share with Rebecca Long-Bailey and her role in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet.

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I don't know what you mean about Rayner being 'one of only 18 Labour MPs to support Jezza.....'? In the Chicken Coup there was a 'no confidence' vote of members of the Parliamentary Labour Party. 172 MPs supported the 'no confidence' resolution. Corbyn got 40 votes. Was Rayner one of them? As the sitting leader of the party he didn't need MP nominations to stand (to challenge him) and was automatically on the ballot - up against Owen Smith - and won easily when the membership had a say.

Is 'the name' I mentioned Trevor Chinn? As I said he is closely linked to a lot of senior Labour MPs including Starmer, Cooper and half the Cabinet. Are you saying he has a particularly close relationship to Alex Barros-Curtis (ABC) - the parachuted in Cardiff West MP? ABC was heavily involved in the Starmer moves to expel and expunge Corbynites from Labour after Starmer won the leadership election and stoke the anti Semitism slurs. His reward was Cardiff West.

I agree that a lot of the people around and behind Starmer will be happy to see Rayner gone. They tried before and cocked it up. She has now done it to herself. But in my opinion she has more in common politically with Starmer than Corbyn - despite her flat share with Rebecca Long-Bailey and her role in Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet.

The term 'Corbynite' is open to interpretation and I suppose you are correct that she was never doctrinally a Corbynite.

All the same she was strongly associated with Jezza during his first couple of years as leader. Yes she is like Starmer - an unprincipled, bigheaded clever dick with a lust for power and few ideological red lines.

She was, after all, the woman who finally fell out with Corbyn over her plans to build housing on allotments, which is a terrible idea.

Thank God she has gone!

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Ok guys, I have my popcorn at the ready. I'm waiting for the same pile on aimed at Farrage for the same crimes from the usual suspects on here. Off you go.

Worth the wait AZ. maybe not Nige but his backhand...I mean right hand man.

All we have so far is an immediate bit of Chuckle Brother Whatabouttery from the guy who started this thread. Early days though so the gang who think that politicians like Rayner, Tice and Nahawi should all resign if their affairs are not squeaky clean should soon be out in force!

https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/04/18/richard-tice-quidnet-reit-corporation-tax/

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So I was right all along.

Apologies please boys.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx219y4qy0qo

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So I was right all along.

Apologies please boys.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx219y4qy0qo

As someone who deals in tax enquiries with HMRC all the time, I'd hold off opening the champagne just yet. Just because HMRC does not deem this "Careless and/or Deliberate", does not mean there was no wrongdoing.

FWIW "Careless and Deliberate" is the language used by HMRC when assessing penalties for non-compliance, and if HMRC's assessment that it was a honest mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, then a penalty of say 10% would most likely be applied, albeit they can be suspended if applied for.

I'm not sure of what your point is, as Raynor herself admitted the tax was due, and subsequently paid it.

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As someone who deals in tax enquiries with HMRC all the time, I'd hold off opening the champagne just yet. Just because HMRC does not deem this "Careless and/or Deliberate", does not mean there was no wrongdoing.

FWIW "Careless and Deliberate" is the language used by HMRC when assessing penalties for non-compliance, and if HMRC's assessment that it was a honest mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, then a penalty of say 10% would most likely be applied, albeit they can be suspended if applied for.

I'm not sure of what your point is, as Raynor herself admitted the tax was due, and subsequently paid it.

Just a massive cover up, make this go away style, just so her career isn’t over. She tried it on, got caught, probably before she needed to declare it but clearly she thought she could get away with it. Another wrong un, like Polanski thinking he can avoid council tax……typical

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As someone who deals in tax enquiries with HMRC all the time, I'd hold off opening the champagne just yet. Just because HMRC does not deem this "Careless and/or Deliberate", does not mean there was no wrongdoing.

FWIW "Careless and Deliberate" is the language used by HMRC when assessing penalties for non-compliance, and if HMRC's assessment that it was a honest mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, then a penalty of say 10% would most likely be applied, albeit they can be suspended if applied for.

I'm not sure of what your point is, as Raynor herself admitted the tax was due, and subsequently paid it.

My point is she made a mistake. We all make mistakes, we are not robots we are human beings.

I know she did nothing wrong, you know she did nothing wrong and HMRC knows she did nothing wrong

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Just a massive cover up, make this go away style, just so her career isn’t over. She tried it on, got caught, probably before she needed to declare it but clearly she thought she could get away with it. Another wrong un, like Polanski thinking he can avoid council tax……typical

I don't know about that. If she tried it on then the HMRC language would say it was deliberate, however such language wasn't used and as HMRC are closer to it than you or I, they probably know more than we do.

Put it into context, under this government, HMRC are brutal with their penalty regime, preferring to make people and businesses suffer, sometimes to the point of insolvency. Putting people out of work, stifling economic growth, increasing administration costs all round. If HMRC could smell blood, they'd go for it.

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Just a massive cover up, make this go away style, just so her career isn’t over. She tried it on, got caught, probably before she needed to declare it but clearly she thought she could get away with it. Another wrong un, like Polanski thinking he can avoid council tax……typical

So civil servants at HMRC have covered this up, that’s one hell of an accusation.

Just accept she did nothing wrong, it will eat you away otherwise.

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My point is she made a mistake. We all make mistakes, we are not robots we are human beings.

I know she did nothing wrong, you know she did nothing wrong and HMRC knows she did nothing wrong

The point is, she did do wrong, she omitted to pay the tax at the right time. and given her and her government have created quite possibly the most brutal penalty regime for non-compliance of tax in history, Raynor is well aware that non-compliance, according to her own rules, is unforgivable, where you need to be punished and often is the case made insolvent and/or lose your job.

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So civil servants at HMRC have covered this up, that’s one hell of an accusation.

Just accept she did nothing wrong, it will eat you away otherwise.

she did do wrong, she did not pay tax at the proper time. She later paid the tax which is evidence that the tax was due.