OH Angie Baby

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Your argument collapses under its own contradictions. You acknowledge that politicians should be held to a higher standard, yet you dismiss the outcome when that standard is actually applied and the authorities conclude there was no wrongdoing by Angela Rayner. She was investigated extensively over her tax affairs and ultimately exonerated. In a country governed by the rule of law, that should matter more than partisan suspicion or insinuation.

mendacious nonsense.
Raynor did not pay her taxes when they fell due. An enquiry was opened, she took the advice of an expert, and then paid the taxes that are due.

ordinarily there would be penalties, but often they are suspended. That doesn't mean there are no penalties, just they are not payable.

The comparison with Boris Johnson is also deeply flawed. This is where the whataboutery begins. Johnson was not merely accused of “poor judgement”; he was found to have broken the rules his own government imposed on the public during lockdown, and he was fined by police. Those events occurred while millions of people were separated from dying relatives, missed funerals, and obeyed restrictions at enormous personal cost. That was not a technical administrative query over historic tax arrangements, it was a conscious breach of laws his government expected everyone else to follow.

BoJo did break his own rules and Raynor did not pay that tax that was due at the time it was due. Both are equally guilty of not following the rules that we all have to live by.

You also criticise Rayner for seeking expert advice after scrutiny began, as though that somehow implies guilt. In reality, when anyone — politician or otherwise, becomes the subject of a formal enquiry, obtaining professional legal or tax advice is precisely the sensible and responsible thing to do. It is not evidence of incompetence; it is evidence of engaging properly with the process.

You miss the point. Raynor should have taken the advice before the transaction occurred, and not when an enquiry was opened. Its disingenuous to say Rayner played by the rules when she clearly did not.

More importantly, there is a significant difference between being investigated and being found culpable. Rayner was investigated and cleared. Johnson was investigated and sanctioned. Pretending those outcomes are equivalent requires ignoring the actual findings in favour of political preference.

Raynor was not cleared, Raynor paid the tax which meant she did not pay the proper amount of tax when it was due. and I guarantee that if the tax was payable (as it was) then there are penalties which have been suspended.

If standards matter, then they must be applied consistently not only when they damage the politicians we dislike.

You'll find I agree with this, which is why politicians such as BoJo and Raynor are both not fit for public office. Any politician who is incapable of following the rules in any way whatsoever should not be near the tiller.

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mendacious nonsense.
Raynor did not pay her taxes when they fell due. An enquiry was opened, she took the advice of an expert, and then paid the taxes that are due.

ordinarily there would be penalties, but often they are suspended. That doesn't mean there are no penalties, just they are not payable.


BoJo did break his own rules and Raynor did not pay that tax that was due at the time it was due. Both are equally guilty of not following the rules that we all have to live by.


You miss the point. Raynor should have taken the advice before the transaction occurred, and not when an enquiry was opened. Its disingenuous to say Rayner played by the rules when she clearly did not.

Raynor was not cleared, Raynor paid the tax which meant she did not pay the proper amount of tax when it was due. and I guarantee that if the tax was payable (as it was) then there are penalties which have been suspended.

You'll find I agree with this, which is why politicians such as BoJo and Raynor are both not fit for public office. Any politician who is incapable of following the rules in any way whatsoever should not be near the tiller.

You done him good….again….

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mendacious nonsense.
Raynor did not pay her taxes when they fell due. An enquiry was opened, she took the advice of an expert, and then paid the taxes that are due.

ordinarily there would be penalties, but often they are suspended. That doesn't mean there are no penalties, just they are not payable.


BoJo did break his own rules and Raynor did not pay that tax that was due at the time it was due. Both are equally guilty of not following the rules that we all have to live by.


You miss the point. Raynor should have taken the advice before the transaction occurred, and not when an enquiry was opened. Its disingenuous to say Rayner played by the rules when she clearly did not.

Raynor was not cleared, Raynor paid the tax which meant she did not pay the proper amount of tax when it was due. and I guarantee that if the tax was payable (as it was) then there are penalties which have been suspended.

You'll find I agree with this, which is why politicians such as BoJo and Raynor are both not fit for public office. Any politician who is incapable of following the rules in any way whatsoever should not be near the tiller.

Let it lie. I was right, you were wrong, just accept it and move on

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You done him good….again….

In your dreams. I was right, you were wrong? Time to move on

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Let it lie. I was right, you were wrong, just accept it and move on

He was right, we were wrong, it’s time to move on feedback…..can you? I’m struggling badly with it…..

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Anybody who thinks stamp duty is "actually it's a really complex area of law" shouldn't be anywhere near an institution whose purpose is to actually makes laws!

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Let it lie. I was right, you were wrong, just accept it and move on

if I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

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Anybody who thinks stamp duty is "actually it's a really complex area of law" shouldn't be anywhere near an institution whose purpose is to actually makes laws!

its about the easiest tax to calculate correctly. so much so they let solicitors do it

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if I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

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I submitted my tax return to HMRC one day late.

I was fined £100. And I didn't even owe them any tax!

Angela Rayner tried to avoid paying £40,000 stamp duty for nearly a year and could have been fined £8,000 by the HMRC after she recently coughed up the money, (shortly after being gifted £50,000 from a refrigeration company for 'Office Expenses').

She wasn't fined a single penny. No fine. No penalty. No comeback whatsoever.

Is it any wonder that us little folk are getting so pissed off with these freeloading, opportunistic, money grabbing, holier than thou, two faced charlatans?

Is this true or just internet bollocks

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I submitted my tax return to HMRC one day late.

I was fined £100. And I didn't even owe them any tax!

Angela Rayner tried to avoid paying £40,000 stamp duty for nearly a year and could have been fined £8,000 by the HMRC after she recently coughed up the money, (shortly after being gifted £50,000 from a refrigeration company for 'Office Expenses').

She wasn't fined a single penny. No fine. No penalty. No comeback whatsoever.

Is it any wonder that us little folk are getting so pissed off with these freeloading, opportunistic, money grabbing, holier than thou, two faced charlatans?

Is this true or just internet bollocks

HMRC will fine you £100 even if you owe no tax. In fact, they can fine you up to £1600 per tax year, even when no tax is due. There is no penalty appeal, its the power of the corrupt state against you, and you will lose.

Sludge etc are perfectly happy with state corruption that takes money from the individual and puts it into the public purse. Governments at all levels make over £5bn per annum in penalties and fines....That's around £100 per person per year they take from us.

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Farage gets 5 million and you here for 40k.. FFS

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Farage gets 5 million and you here for 40k.. FFS

Since you think there's a threshold, what is it ?

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Re: OH Angie Baby

HMRC will fine you £100 even if you owe no tax. In fact, they can fine you up to £1600 per tax year, even when no tax is due. There is no penalty appeal, its the power of the corrupt state against you, and you will lose.

Sludge etc are perfectly happy with state corruption that takes money from the individual and puts it into the public purse. Governments at all levels make over £5bn per annum in penalties and fines....That's around £100 per person per year they take from us.

Pretty compelling statistic. What is your source and what does the £5 billion comprise of?

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Pretty compelling statistic. What is your source and what does the £5 billion comprise of?

I got it from the gov.uk website. There was a freedom of information request to HMT.

HMRC

HMCTS

The above is UK government and does not include local government parking fines and so on.