Charlie Kirk

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Re: Charlie Kirk

I dont care , political violence is unacceptable when this bloke gets shot but when Israel , who he was big buddies with , blows up kids its collateral damage .....you spend page after page on the hostages thread playing snakes and ladders and screaming about rivers of blood songs and anti semitism , you want to run with the horses and the hounds

Hes got a record of spouting bile but had far more responsibility than people on football messageboards read by about 50 blokes

I am far more bothered by Ukraine or Palestine

'hare and the hounds' :thumbup:

[az city]

Re: Charlie Kirk

There is probably 1,000 hours worth of his footage online. That you find (and I say you, but without doubt it was given to you by the algorithms that spread this division) the few seconds worth to justify your hatred and ignore the bigger picture, all on the day after he was shot in the neck to make two kids fatherless says absolutely everything about why actually engaging with people in the way he did is so important. You don't have to agree with him. But listening to different views is absolutely critical and we need to regain it.

You come out with far more offensive stuff on here than he does. You shouldn't get killed for it.

I dare you. Post a video more than a minute long.

Tell us what Kirk said we should agree with.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

I said that "from the river to the sea" is deeply unhelpful a good year ago.. mk screaming. No spending page after page. And you don't get to hide behind the totally unrelated Israel/Palestine conflict on this.

Just stop lying.

You are page after page on about anti semitism and everything else , stop lying

This crops up , you are all over it like a rash

Its no more horrific than things that happen all over the world

Not nice but thats life

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Tell us what Kirk said we should agree with.

Listening to other people's views is critical and we need to regain it

What a load of pseudo university cobblers

America under Trump is about as much about listening to other people's views as a pie and chips is to a healthy diet

Kirk wasn't some messiah like figure who had come about to change the world he was a calculating very right wing god promoting rabble rouser dressed up in pleasant words and a suit ...until he got really challenged then he was right up for a scrap and confrontation

It doesnt mean that people " glad " about his death are in any way decent and worth sharing a coffee with but these sort of unpleasant events are sadly part of life

Its all a bit ott faux

[stevo]

Re: Charlie Kirk

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...cles-for-you_1

This is the real issue we all need to be concerned about.

And when will people (on both sides) learn that nothing is resolved through violence.

[Dorcus]

Re: Charlie Kirk

This is the real issue we all need to be concerned about.

And when will people (on both sides) learn that nothing is resolved through violence.

I wouldn't particularly wish for anyone to be murdered but there's no doubt Kirk was a very unpleasant man with unsound views. I would have preferred he lived but my tears will be shed not for him but instead for all the innocents, including so many children in the US and all the poor innocents throughout the World, including so many children in Gaza, who continue to be slaughtered by terrorists.

I find it disgusting and distressing that the US right, led by the insane Trump and his cronies, is attempting to incite political vengeance through violence by promoting this guy as a martyr.

It's s extremely powerful rhetoric and it will likely rouse the savages amongst us. I've no doubt the US is closer than ever to a second civil war and if that does indeed happen watch the rest of the World fall into the conflagration. Who would benefit most from an internally divided and preoccupied USA, riven and military impotent? This could present a golden opportunity for Putin and Xi to hurry along and achieve their territorial and political goals.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Charlie Kirk

This is the real issue we all need to be concerned about.

And when will people (on both sides) learn that nothing is resolved through violence.

That's a bit fanciful on a broader scale though, isn't it? Empires of all descriptions expanded around the globe over the centuries partly due to war and violence. Two of the largest geo-political entities today (China and Russia) are violent to their domestic detractors and remain in power.
Royal and so-called noble families are in situ in many countries around the world (and occupy tracts of land and real estate as well as eercising considerable influence) courtesy of wars fought centuries ago by their ancestors. Some countries gained independence by using violence against their oppressors which has therefore resulted in solutions of various descriptions. The list goes on.
Lines on maps have been drawn and internationally recognised following.
And in this particular let's not forget that the USA was established on the back of violence to what then were indigenous peoples - and the attachment to weaponry in the States has its roots in that violent past.

[Dorcus]

Re: Charlie Kirk

That's a bit fanciful on a broader scale though, isn't it? Empires of all descriptions expanded around the globe over the centuries partly due to war and violence. Two of the largest geo-political entities today (China and Russia) are violent to their domestic detractors and remain in power.
Royal and so-called noble families are in situ in many countries around the world (and occupy tracts of land and real estate as well as eercising considerable influence) courtesy of wars fought centuries ago by their ancestors. Some countries gained independence by using violence against their oppressors which has therefore resulted in solutions of various descriptions. The list goes on.
Lines on maps have been drawn and internationally recognised following.
And in this particular let's not forget that the USA was established on the back of violence to what then were indigenous peoples - and the attachment to weaponry in the States has its roots in that violent past.

There's never been a period in human history when power, wealth and status hasn't been gained by overwhelming violence. All human administration's are in situ because of the implicit threat of violence as it's defender of last resort.

[az city]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Sludge, the question was for Jimbo.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Sludge, the question was for Jimbo.

I know , I replied to him via you

Hence me quoting his come together psalm

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Sludge, the question was for Jimbo.

I know , I replied to him via you

Hence me quoting his come together psalm

[Dorcus]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Listening to other people's views is critical and we need to regain it

What a load of pseudo university cobblers

America under Trump is about as much about listening to other people's views as a pie and chips is to a healthy diet

Kirk wasn't some messiah like figure who had come about to change the world he was a calculating very right wing god promoting rabble rouser dressed up in pleasant words and a suit ...until he got really challenged then he was right up for a scrap and confrontation

It doesnt mean that people " glad " about his death are in any way decent and worth sharing a coffee with but these sort of unpleasant events are sadly part of life

Its all a bit ott faux

I just wonder, for example, if some people would be entirely happy with someone going on a tour (colleges, maybe even schools) promoting the rights of paedophiles and terrorists and explaining the virtues of both under the defence of "free speech"?

Maybe some such person should not lose his/her life for expressing such views but to my mind the sane approach should be to deny them the right to disseminate such unpleasant and unsafe views in the first place.

[JamesWales]

Re: Charlie Kirk

I seldom peruse this forum, however, having read this particular thread, I think you've come across well, and I agree with you. Just saying.

Thanks

[JamesWales]

Re: Charlie Kirk

Tell us what Kirk said we should agree with.

You don't have to agree with any of it.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Charlie Kirk

I just wonder, for example, if some people would be entirely happy with someone going on a tour (colleges, maybe even schools) promoting the rights of paedophiles and terrorists and explaining the virtues of both under the defence of "free speech"?

Maybe some such person should not lose his/her life for expressing such views but to my mind the sane approach should be to deny them the right to disseminate such unpleasant and unsafe views in the first place.

It's not that black and white though - and different people draw a line in different places in the sand regarding morality.
Even given your example, would you ban someone who intended touring colleges expressing that the age of consent be lowered by three months (and which would represent paedophilia as the law currently stands)?