Manchester terrorist attack.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2njqz8gg8o

The Mail and Telegraph front pages clearly go a stage further than the other papers - how are they trying to lower the temperature in this country with headlines like that? They’re pouring petrol on the flames just as the killer did yesterday. I can’t knock the blanket coverage of what happened yesterday, but it looks like, just as in Southport, it was the work of one man - while the enormous elephant in the room that is the now confirmed genocide in Gaza is being ignored in the manner it is by major politicians in Europe and the USA, my surprise is that we’re not seeing more incidents like this.

The Mail's headlines are particularly outrageous and egregious. Why on Earth are they conflating "woke this" and "lefty that" with this awful act of violence? This ridiculous nonsense just seems like it's being used as yet another opportunity to further incite culture war rubbish. And what was the point of describing the murderer as "a Briton of Syrian descent"? The guy is a Briton, full stop: live with it.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

My critique is ‘riddled’ with frustration that an atrocity in Manchester will be used (by Netanyahu, Sa’ar, Starmer and Badenoch) to deflect from the continuing genocide in Gaza. How you use this murderous incident as a comment on a supposed ‘moral high ground’ is another sad outcome of this shocking incident.

You've gone full circle with the projection. Accusing you of something isn't "another sad outcome" or taking advantage of a tragedy.

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

You've gone full circle with the projection. Accusing you of something isn't "another sad outcome" or taking advantage of a tragedy.

Projection? If you were not conflating this terrorist attack with solidarity actions in defence of Gaza - what were you doing?

What else could you mean by 'your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like'?

That is Netanyahu's play book - which was exactly the point I was making. Netanyahu is taking full advantage of the tragedy (as are other politicians). Your view seemed to be that no one should point that out or discuss it on this forum. The UK government is in the same place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgy8kvvkp3o

Thankfully it appears this was an isolated event - not part of a wave of IS inspired attacks across Europe as was suggested when Starmer abandoned the international meeting in Denmark and convened COBRA.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Projection? If you were not conflating this terrorist attack with solidarity actions in defence of Gaza - what were you doing?

What else could you mean by 'your footing on the moral high ground is not as firm as you'd like'?

That is Netanyahu's play book - which was exactly the point I was making. Netanyahu is taking full advantage of the tragedy (as are other politicians). Your view seemed to be that no one should point that out or discuss it on this forum. The UK government is in the same place:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgy8kvvkp3o

Thankfully it appears this was an isolated event - not part of a wave of IS inspired attacks across Europe as was suggested when Starmer abandoned the international meeting in Denmark and convened COBRA.

You couldn't wait to make this tragedy about something else. You didn't just mention Netanyahu at first, but Starmer, Badanoch and "Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere". Who are they, exactly? Now you're moving your argument around. Your bias was on show and you were complaining about how this would shunt Gaza out of the news.

I don't use this forum very often, but there have been a couple of times where you've flat out made stuff up to boost your argument. I don't think you argue in good faith.

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

You couldn't wait to make this tragedy about something else. You didn't just mention Netanyahu at first, but Starmer, Badanoch and "Israeli cheerleaders in the UK and elsewhere". Who are they, exactly? Now you're moving your argument around. Your bias was on show and you were complaining about how this would shunt Gaza out of the news.

I don't use this forum very often, but there have been a couple of times where you've flat out made stuff up to boost your argument. I don't think you argue in good faith.

I haven't moved my argument at all in this thread. It was and remains shock and anger at an anti Semitic terrorist attack, and anger at the way this has and will be used to close down solidarity action with Palestinians facing genocide. I read the initial statements from Netanyahu before I responded to Paul's OP - which is why I raised the point. It has since been reinforced by senior Labour and Tory politicians who (like Netanyahu, Trump etc) conflate the interests of the Israeli state and government with that of Jewish people around the world. As they are happily conflating this terrorist attack with pro-Palestinian solidarity actions in the UK (see the BBC link above).

As to 'bias', making stuff up and lack of 'good faith', you are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am to my opinion of you. I don't see a meeting of minds any time soon and I aim to be on another local pro-Palestine protest this evening. Not turning up would not be a sign of respect for the Manchester victims - but it would be disrespect for the 53 Palestinians murdered by Israel yesterday!

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

The Mail's headlines are particularly outrageous and egregious. Why on Earth are they conflating "woke this" and "lefty that" with this awful act of violence? This ridiculous nonsense just seems like it's being used as yet another opportunity to further incite culture war rubbish. And what was the point of describing the murderer as "a Briton of Syrian descent"? The guy is a Briton, full stop: live with it.

He’s British full stop, but was welcomed here when he was a boy, and given citizenship.
He has repayed that humane welcome, by killing 2 Jews im cold blood..Absolute scum.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

He’s British full stop, but was welcomed here when he was a boy, and given citizenship.
He has repayed that humane welcome, by killing 2 Jews im cold blood..Absolute scum.

Scum of course, anyone who kills innocents is exactly that, but he's British scum.

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Scum of course, anyone who kills innocents is exactly that, but he's British scum.

It seems as though he really took to British culture doesn’t it.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

It seems as though he really took to British culture doesn’t it.

Maybe he did who the hell knows?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

He’s British full stop, but was welcomed here when he was a boy, and given citizenship.
He has repayed that humane welcome, by killing 2 Jews im cold blood..Absolute scum.

Seems he killed one of them, the police killed the other one and wounded one of the others.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Maybe he did who the hell knows?

Just another weak sucker brainwashed by religion. Always amuses me on here, and in life general, how conspiracy theorists are laughed at and mocked, whilst dullards who believe in invisible gods get away with an easy ride.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Just another weak sucker brainwashed by religion. Always amuses me on here, and in life general, how conspiracy theorists are laughed at and mocked, whilst dullards who believe in invisible gods get away with an easy ride.

Life's a funny old bitch

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Life's a funny old bitch

It sure is. Lets hope neither of us or any of our family members are ever killed or injured by a religious nut.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

It sure is. Lets hope neither of us or any of our family members are ever killed or injured by a religious nut.

Keep your fingers and your toes crossed and don't think of holidaying in Gaza anytime soon!

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Keep your fingers and your toes crossed and don't think of holidaying in Gaza anytime soon!

Or the UK 👍