Manchester terrorist attack.

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

There is no UN declared genocide.

The UN has said it will wait for the court case in the Hague to declare its verdict before making its determination although it says "the evidence is mounting".

The UN commission which declared it a genocide does not speak for the UN.

That is a bit of fancy footwork, Elwood.

The International Court of Justice (founded under the UN Charter in 1945) will take a few more years to reach a judgement on the case of genocide brought by South Africa (and other countries who joined the case later).

Neither Israel nor the USA recognise its' jurisdiction.

The Commission of Inquiry established by the UN Human Rights Council in 2021 that has ruled on the question of Israeli genocide in Gaza has produced a comprehensive report that has been published by the UN. It has informed the latest session of the UN General Assembly. It has not informed any new resolution of the UN General Assembly - but all the previous ones that have demanded Israel comply with international law have been ignored - by Israel and the USA.

There is still a legal process to conclude, but (unless you want to dance on a legal pinhead) it is fair to say that the UN has determined that Israel is committing genocide!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

There is no UN declared genocide.

The UN has said it will wait for the court case in the Hague to declare its verdict before making its determination although it says "the evidence is mounting".

The UN commission which declared it a genocide does not speak for the UN.

I usually respect your contributions to debate but I think the word "semantics" was defined for this one. If he had asked if the UN Commission that had declared Israel's response to the Hamas massacre as just cause for peaceful protest would you have agreed with him?

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

There is no UN declared genocide.

The UN has said it will wait for the court case in the Hague to declare its verdict before making its determination although it says "the evidence is mounting".

The UN commission which declared it a genocide does not speak for the UN.

Wrong post! I meant to respond to Jon1959

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

That is a bit of fancy footwork, Elwood.

The International Court of Justice (founded under the UN Charter in 1945) will take a few more years to reach a judgement on the case of genocide brought by South Africa (and other countries who joined the case later).

Neither Israel nor the USA recognise its' jurisdiction.

The Commission of Inquiry established by the UN Human Rights Council in 2021 that has ruled on the question of Israeli genocide in Gaza has produced a comprehensive report that has been published by the UN. It has informed the latest session of the UN General Assembly. It has not informed any new resolution of the UN General Assembly - but all the previous ones that have demanded Israel comply with international law have been ignored - by Israel and the USA.

There is still a legal process to conclude, but (unless you want to dance on a legal pinhead) it is fair to say that the UN has determined that Israel is committing genocide!

Are you accusing me of fancy footwork?

Or the UN?????

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I usually respect your contributions to debate but I think the word "semantics" was defined for this one. If he had asked if the UN Commission that had declared Israel's response to the Hamas massacre as just cause for peaceful protest would you have agreed with him?

I think there was a cause for peaceful protests before the Commission said a Dicky bird.

But the arguments that appear to be happening within the UN on the issue were not caused by me!!!

Before you accuse me of semantics take it up with them!

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Are you accusing me of fancy footwork?

Or the UN?????

You Elwood - like the love child of Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly!

[delmbox]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

There is no UN declared genocide.

The UN has said it will wait for the court case in the Hague to declare its verdict before making its determination although it says "the evidence is mounting".

The UN commission which declared it a genocide does not speak for the UN.

Are you sure that with 70000 dead you want your take on it to be HEY HEY IT'S NOT GENOCIDE THOUGH, THE UN ONLY SAID THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT IT'S A GENOCIDE?

[delmbox]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I think the pro Palestinian protesters should maybe start protesting for Hamas to do their utmost to agree to a peace deal. Don’t you?

Sure, whatever stops the killing. I must say though that I think the most pressure should probably be aimed at the nation that's massacring kids with missiles and forced starvation

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Are you sure that with 70000 dead you want your take on it to be HEY HEY IT'S NOT GENOCIDE THOUGH, THE UN ONLY SAID THE EVIDENCE IS MOUNTING THAT IT'S A GENOCIDE?

You’ve not answered my question yet? The “Genocide” could end tomorrow if Hamas agreed to the brokered peace deal.

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

You’ve not answered my question yet? The “Genocide” could end tomorrow if Hamas agreed to the brokered peace deal.

Just saw your reply now. Seeing that Hamas started this latest round of violence, surely the pressure should be applied to them to stop this war. Do you think they want to? I don’t.

[delmbox]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Just saw your reply now. Seeing that Hamas started this latest round of violence, surely the pressure should be applied to them to stop this war. Do you think they want to? I don’t.

"Round of violence" makes it sound like the violence was at a stop before Oct 7th, it wasn't. It's also not a war, it's a massacre of civilians. I find it very easy to condemn Hamas for Oct 7th, it was barbaric. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to describe Israel's actions since that day as the same.

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

"Round of violence" makes it sound like the violence was at a stop before Oct 7th, it wasn't. It's also not a war, it's a massacre of civilians. I find it very easy to condemn Hamas for Oct 7th, it was barbaric. Not sure why it's so difficult for you to describe Israel's actions since that day as the same.

It is the same. It’s quite a pathetic situation for both to find themselves in, but humans being humans, it is what it is. As I said, Hamas started this latest madness, and Hamas can halt it. These protest marches should be all about that.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

It is the same. It’s quite a pathetic situation for both to find themselves in, but humans being humans, it is what it is. As I said, Hamas started this latest madness, and Hamas can halt it. These protest marches should be all about that.

It's the simplest thing in the World for Israel to stop the murder: it should not be dependent on anything Hamas does or doesn't do.

[William Treseder]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

It's the simplest thing in the World for Israel to stop the murder: it should not be dependent on anything Hamas does or doesn't do.

That sounds as though you’re a bit of Hamas sympathiser. I’m sure you’d probably feel a bit different if it was one of your relatives that had been held hostage for the last 2 yrs.
So as I’ve said above, why aren’t these protestors waving banners urging Hamas to agree to the peace deal that’s on the table?

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

That sounds as though you’re a bit of Hamas sympathiser. I’m sure you’d probably feel a bit different if it was one of your relatives that had been held hostage for the last 2 yrs.
So as I’ve said above, why aren’t these protestors waving banners urging Hamas to agree to the peace deal that’s on the table?

I don't see why it indicates I'm a Hamas sympathiser at all. I'm sympathetic to the loss of innocent lives and Hamas isn't murdering them.

Of course I'd be in a different psychological state if any of my relatives had been murdered or taken hostage by Hamas but that doesn't change the fact that murdering innocent civilians is totally wrong under any circumstances. Israel is murdering these people and it's leaders can stop the killing instantly if they had any moral compass.

Whether or not Hamas agrees to the peace deal is irrelevant: murdering innocents is wrong and so obviously it makes sense for the protests to be focused on ending Israeli aggression.