Manchester terrorist attack.

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There is a racist minority on matches labelled "far-right". And there is an antisemitic minority on matches labelled "pro-palestine". That is the truth based on everything I have seen and experienced. The difference is some seem unwilling to accept it

Racist minority on the far right marches ?

Dont be a deliberate idiot

Come down to the protests against the afghan migrants in Rhoose

You will hear more racism than your little ears could deal with

Minority my arse

[William Treseder]

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Racist minority on the far right marches ?

Dont be a deliberate idiot

Come down to the protests against the afghan migrants in Rhoose

You will hear more racism than your little ears could deal with

Minority my arse

You appear not to have mentioned the racist element on the pro Palestine marches that JW has spoken about.

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How do you think Israel should have reacted to the atrocities 2 yrs ago? By the way, I don’t agree with the violence from either side, but I’m interested to hear your take on this.

I don't have the exact answer to a huge question like that, and my position of wanting to stop the mass murder of civilians doesn't mean that I automatically should.

I'll give it some sort go though - there was always going to be a backlash by Israel so an actual intelligence led limited military incursion trying to weed out Hamas, not indiscriminate bombing dressed up as intelligence.

They should have tried to protect civilians, limit collateral damage and not just treat anyone Palestinian as an extension of Hamas.

Created actual safe zones rather than the "safe zones" they created which also got bombed

Actually prosecute IDF Soldiers for war crimes rather than claiming every horrific incident of civilians being killed as a terrible accident

Allow international press in there to report on their actions

Not try to actively starve the population

They had the sympathy of the world after the 10th of October, the could have retained that had they retaliated with limited strikes or a more targeted operation aimed at the Hamas leadership. Instead of that they've seen it as an opportunity to level Gaza and mass murder its population which in turn will inevitably create thousands more Hamas sympathisers years down the line

[jon1959]

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Yes with the OU I am doing it over 6 Years, although I have had to defer years twice through illness

Currently half way through and just started year 4 covering 1500-1780 (last year I did 1780-2914).

Just got to keep my Dicky ticker going for a few years longer!

Good luck with all that Elwood.

It sounds interesting (although maybe not as interesting as '15th - 28th century' and '1780-2914' suggested. )

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You appear not to have mentioned the racist element on the pro Palestine marches that JW has spoken about.

Hes spoken about it but he hasn't been on any

As always with him its fake outage based on second hand evidence

He can come along with me and see what the far right are really like if he wants

[William Treseder]

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I don't have the exact answer to a huge question like that, and my position of wanting to stop the mass murder of civilians doesn't mean that I automatically should.

I'll give it some sort go though - there was always going to be a backlash by Israel so an actual intelligence led limited military incursion trying to weed out Hamas, not indiscriminate bombing dressed up as intelligence.

They should have tried to protect civilians, limit collateral damage and not just treat anyone Palestinian as an extension of Hamas.

Created actual safe zones rather than the "safe zones" they created which also got bombed

Actually prosecute IDF Soldiers for war crimes rather than claiming every horrific incident of civilians being killed as a terrible accident

Allow international press in there to report on their actions

Not try to actively starve the population

They had the sympathy of the world after the 10th of October, the could have retained that had they retaliated with limited strikes or a more targeted operation aimed at the Hamas leadership. Instead of that they've seen it as an opportunity to level Gaza and mass murder its population which in turn will inevitably create thousands more Hamas sympathisers years down the line

That sounds sensible and measured, but it’s the Middle East we’re talking about here.
Hatred runs deep on both sides, Hamas would have known what the retaliation would have consisted of, but still went ahead, and as in all wars and conflicts, it’s the innocent majority that bear the brunt.
Continuing talks, common sense, and mutual respect is the only way to pursue a peaceful outcome, but it would be easier to nail blancmange to a ceiling than expect that of humans.

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That sounds sensible and measured, but itÂ’s the Middle East weÂ’re talking about here.
Hatred runs deep on both sides, Hamas would have known what the retaliation would have consisted of, but still went ahead, and as in all wars and conflicts, itÂ’s the innocent majority that bear the brunt.
Continuing talks, common sense, and mutual respect is the only way to pursue a peaceful outcome, but it would be easier to nail blancmange to a ceiling than expect that of humans.

Well it might be they have used superglue instead of nails given last nights news ?

[William Treseder]

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Well it might be they have used superglue instead of nails given last nights news ?

Let’s hope it’s not cheap superglue, and they can now talk on both sides and move on with each side giving a bit, and building a better future.
I very much doubt it, but you never know.

[Elwood Blues]

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Good luck with all that Elwood.

It sounds interesting (although maybe not as interesting as '15th - 28th century' and '1780-2914' suggested. )

Whoops! That's what comes from posting on a mobile when tired!!!

[JamesWales]

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Why does it end in 2014? Our relegation from the Prem was hardly era defining.

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https://iclg.com/news/23139-surgeon-erased-from-medical-register-over-antisemitic-abuse/amp

The case is one of many incidences of brazen antisemitism in the UK’s National Health Service.

A retired NHS surgeon has been struck off the medical register after a tribunal found he repeatedly posted antisemitic abuse online, invoking Holocaust imagery and showing no meaningful remorse. In its 25 September decision – published yesterday – the Medical Practitioners Tribunal (MPT) ordered that Manoj Sen, who qualified in 1983 and worked in the NHS for over 25 years, be erased from the register, with the three-person panel ruling: “His conduct demonstrates a lack of insight and understanding of the seriousness of his actions. It is in the public interest for him to be found to be currently impaired.”

The case stemmed from an exchange on 10 October 2023 in which Sen replied to a Facebook post by an acquaintance. Screenshots showed him using epithets about the complainant including “Jewish c**t” and “Jewboy”, writing “Die Juden sind unsere Ungluck”(Jews are our misfortune), the slogan of the virulently antisemitic German weekly newspaper Der Stürmer, published from 1923 until the end of the second world war. Running with the Nazi theme, he also wrote: “I am regretful enough rats were not liquidated at Auschwitz. Good thing he is no longer in a respectful place like India. He belongs in the flames of a crematorium.”

The complainant, referred to as Mr A in the tribunal record, reported the remarks to police and the General Medical Council (GMC). Sen was arrested and on 10 November 2023 accepted a police caution for racially and religiously aggravated harassment.

Although he later described his words as “wrongful and injudicious”, he maintained he was not antisemitic. He told the GMC: “I must have lost my senses as in the heat of the moment I made wrongful and injudicious remarks – for which I have apologised in public on Facebook as well as privately to the police.”

Mr Sen did not attend his September 2025 hearing and had told the GMC he had “no wish to participate”. Counsel for the GMC, Nine Chambers’ Nigel Grundy, argued that the case was “at the most serious, upper end of the spectrum of discrimination” and that erasure was the only sanction capable of upholding public trust.

The tribunal agreed, finding Sen’s comments “objectively antisemitic” and “seriously offensive”, noting that the crematorium and Auschwitz references were especially egregious. It concluded: “The degree of hostility expressed in his comments is fundamentally incompatible with the duty of a doctor to treat patients equally and without discrimination. Only erasure can properly mark the boundary: this type of conduct is incompatible with ongoing registration.” Sen’s name will now be erased from the medical register, with an immediate suspension order preventing him from practicing in the interim.

Sen’s erasure comes amid mounting concern over antisemitism within the health service. Several other high-profile cases have raised questions about consistency in disciplinary decisions. In September, Dr Rahmeh Aladwan, a junior doctor, faced allegations of making throat-slit gestures at Jewish demonstrators and posting that “Jewish supremacy” explained global inequality. The GMC sought her interim suspension, but the tribunal allowed her to continue working unrestricted while proceedings are ongoing. Health Secretary Wes Streeting said afterwards that he had “no confidence” in the ruling and pledged reform of the system. However, within a few hours of last week’s attack on a synagogue in Manchester, Aladwan doubled down, sharing an online post from a Canadian academic which read: “It’s really quite simple. If you want Jews to feel safe, stop allowing Zionist Jews to annihilate Palestinians in the name of their Jewishness. A far cry from being a safe haven for Jews, Israel is fully responsible for any and all hate that will naturally be directed towards Jews worldwide because Israel just can’t stop killing people and world leaders refuse to stop them.”

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https://iclg.com/news/23139-surgeon-...itic-abuse/amp



The case is one of many incidences of brazen antisemitism in the UKÂ’s National Health Service.

A retired NHS surgeon has been struck off the medical register after a tribunal found he repeatedly posted antisemitic abuse online, invoking Holocaust imagery and showing no meaningful remorse. In its 25 September decision – published yesterday – the Medical Practitioners Tribunal (MPT) ordered that Manoj Sen, who qualified in 1983 and worked in the NHS for over 25 years, be erased from the register, with the three-person panel ruling: “His conduct demonstrates a lack of insight and understanding of the seriousness of his actions. It is in the public interest for him to be found to be currently impaired.”

The case stemmed from an exchange on 10 October 2023 in which Sen replied to a Facebook post by an acquaintance. Screenshots showed him using epithets about the complainant including “Jewish c**t” and “Jewboy”, writing “Die Juden sind unsere Ungluck”(Jews are our misfortune), the slogan of the virulently antisemitic German weekly newspaper Der Stürmer, published from 1923 until the end of the second world war. Running with the Nazi theme, he also wrote: “I am regretful enough rats were not liquidated at Auschwitz. Good thing he is no longer in a respectful place like India. He belongs in the flames of a crematorium.”

The complainant, referred to as Mr A in the tribunal record, reported the remarks to police and the General Medical Council (GMC). Sen was arrested and on 10 November 2023 accepted a police caution for racially and religiously aggravated harassment.

Although he later described his words as “wrongful and injudicious”, he maintained he was not antisemitic. He told the GMC: “I must have lost my senses as in the heat of the moment I made wrongful and injudicious remarks – for which I have apologised in public on Facebook as well as privately to the police.”

Mr Sen did not attend his September 2025 hearing and had told the GMC he had “no wish to participate”. Counsel for the GMC, Nine Chambers’ Nigel Grundy, argued that the case was “at the most serious, upper end of the spectrum of discrimination” and that erasure was the only sanction capable of upholding public trust.

The tribunal agreed, finding Sen’s comments “objectively antisemitic” and “seriously offensive”, noting that the crematorium and Auschwitz references were especially egregious. It concluded: “The degree of hostility expressed in his comments is fundamentally incompatible with the duty of a doctor to treat patients equally and without discrimination. Only erasure can properly mark the boundary: this type of conduct is incompatible with ongoing registration.” Sen’s name will now be erased from the medical register, with an immediate suspension order preventing him from practicing in the interim.

Sen’s erasure comes amid mounting concern over antisemitism within the health service. Several other high-profile cases have raised questions about consistency in disciplinary decisions. In September, Dr Rahmeh Aladwan, a junior doctor, faced allegations of making throat-slit gestures at Jewish demonstrators and posting that “Jewish supremacy” explained global inequality. The GMC sought her interim suspension, but the tribunal allowed her to continue working unrestricted while proceedings are ongoing. Health Secretary Wes Streeting said afterwards that he had “no confidence” in the ruling and pledged reform of the system. However, within a few hours of last week’s attack on a synagogue in Manchester, Aladwan doubled down, sharing an online post from a Canadian academic which read: “It’s really quite simple. If you want Jews to feel safe, stop allowing Zionist Jews to annihilate Palestinians in the name of their Jewishness. A far cry from being a safe haven for Jews, Israel is fully responsible for any and all hate that will naturally be directed towards Jews worldwide because Israel just can’t stop killing people and world leaders refuse to stop them.”

It would be prosaic at this point to suggest that in order to see Jewish thuggery , violence and hate one needs to look no further than some of the crimes carried out by far right israeli settlers

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It would be prosaic at this point to suggest that in order to see Jewish thuggery , violence and hate one needs to look no further than some of the crimes carried out by far right israeli settlers

If there is a clear distinction to be made between antisemitism and anti zionism…it is only fair that the distinction works the other way.

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If there is a clear distinction to be made between antisemitism and anti zionismÂ…it is only fair that the distinction works the other way.

Well I think if we are to read or view shocking examples of hatred from people of the Islamic faith towards jewish people then it must be right that attention is drawn to Jewish people acting like utter scum towards Arabs

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Well I think if we are to read or view shocking examples of hatred from people of the Islamic faith towards jewish people then it must be right that attention is drawn to Jewish people acting like utter scum towards Arabs

It’s undeniable the crimes committed by Israel even before this horrible situation.
They are rightly condemned by most people.

I have said before, I am an Islamaphobe.
I am scared of it and I don’t like the faith one bit.
It isn’t just Jewish people that are targeted by radicals, it’s pretty much everybody that doesn’t submit to Islam.

Islam is a far right religion IMO.