Manchester terrorist attack.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

It’s undeniable the crimes committed by Israel even before this horrible situation.
They are rightly condemned by most people.

I have said before, I am an Islamaphobe.
I am scared of it and I don’t like the faith one bit.
It isn’t just Jewish people that are targeted by radicals, it’s pretty much everybody that doesn’t submit to Islam.

Islam is a far right religion IMO.

Religion is s**t full stop. It's just opium for the people. There's far more interesting means to occupy your mind.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Religion is s**t full stop. It's just opium for the people. There's far more interesting means to occupy your mind.

I understand and respect those who are atheist or agnostic.

It’s disingenuous or naive though to compare Islam to any other religion in 2025.

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I understand and respect those who are atheist or agnostic.

It’s disingenuous or naive though to compare Islam to any other religion in 2025.

Why? Same horse, different jockey! Wouldn't it be an idea to get rid of the whole pile of crap?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

ItÂ’s undeniable the crimes committed by Israel even before this horrible situation.
They are rightly condemned by most people.

I have said before, I am an Islamaphobe.
I am scared of it and I donÂ’t like the faith one bit.
It isnÂ’t just Jewish people that are targeted by radicals, itÂ’s pretty much everybody that doesnÂ’t submit to Islam.

Islam is a far right religion IMO.

All religion is bullshit

Judaism is just as bad

Christianity in America , batshit crazy some of that lot

If I was God ( sic ) I wouldnt bother creating any of it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Why? Same horse, different jockey! Wouldn't it be an idea to get rid of the whole pile of crap?

Yep , bin it all

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Why? Same horse, different jockey! Wouldn't it be an idea to get rid of the whole pile of crap?

Even the great Christopher Hitchens acknowledged that Islam is a very different horse.
The scale of terrorism attacks around the world over the last 25 years single it out for starters and then you have the way women, gay people and apostates are treated as well as those who mock or criticize the religion.

Do you think that there would likely be different responses to Bible being desecrated to that of a Koran from the believers in both books?
Is drawing a picture of Jesus allowed?
Is drawing a picture of Mohammed allowed and what would happen to the artist?

I believe in God, my wife is agnostic.
We both respect each others views and it has zero bearing on our relationship.

[MOZZER2]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Even the great Christopher Hitchens acknowledged that Islam is a very different horse.
The scale of terrorism attacks around the world over the last 25 years single it out for starters and then you have the way women, gay people and apostates are treated as well as those who mock or criticize the religion.

Do you think that there would likely be different responses to Bible being desecrated to that of a Koran from the believers in both books?
Is drawing a picture of Jesus allowed?
Is drawing a picture of Mohammed allowed and what would happen to the artist?

I believe in God, my wife is agnostic.
We both respect each others views and it has zero bearing on our relationship.

talking of terrorism just reading the other day an article from the home office report from back in 2020

at that point in time MI5 reported there were 43,000 people in the UK on the terror watch list with around 40,000 Islamic extremists in amongst that figure

can't find figures for more recent times

How the hell can the police and security forces monitor over 40,000 potential terrorists walking around our streets

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Even the great Christopher Hitchens acknowledged that Islam is a very different horse.
The scale of terrorism attacks around the world over the last 25 years single it out for starters and then you have the way women, gay people and apostates are treated as well as those who mock or criticize the religion.

Do you think that there would likely be different responses to Bible being desecrated to that of a Koran from the believers in both books?
Is drawing a picture of Jesus allowed?
Is drawing a picture of Mohammed allowed and what would happen to the artist?

I believe in God, my wife is agnostic.
We both respect each others views and it has zero bearing on our relationship.

If she runs off with the plumber whilst you are at church you might want to reconsider that last line 😆

[JamesWales]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

If she runs off with the plumber whilst you are at church you might want to reconsider that last line 😆

If a plumber is being called out on a Sunday morning then his finances are probably more of a concern than his wife's behaviour.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

If she runs off with the plumber whilst you are at church you might want to reconsider that last line 😆

Ironically, Sam the plumber that I have used is a devout Christian and the emblem on his invoice is a cross made out of pipes.
:)

[Dorcus]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Even the great Christopher Hitchens acknowledged that Islam is a very different horse.
The scale of terrorism attacks around the world over the last 25 years single it out for starters and then you have the way women, gay people and apostates are treated as well as those who mock or criticize the religion.

Do you think that there would likely be different responses to Bible being desecrated to that of a Koran from the believers in both books?
Is drawing a picture of Jesus allowed?
Is drawing a picture of Mohammed allowed and what would happen to the artist?

I believe in God, my wife is agnostic.
We both respect each others views and it has zero bearing on our relationship.

If believing in God helps you to face the inevitable then I think that's wonderful. Other cultures have different Gods and different religions and for the same reason.

Yes, you're right Islam does appear to promote a more antagonist response but I believe this is only linked to the cultural mores of the ethnic base.

Third world countries have Third world religions and Third world reactions to World issues, often through ignorance. My argument is that this phenomenon has nothing to do with religion at its roots but all to do with World inequality.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

If believing in God helps you to face the inevitable then I think that's wonderful. Other cultures have different Gods and different religions and for the same reason.

Yes, you're right Islam does appear to promote a more antagonist response but I believe this is only linked to the cultural mores of the ethnic base.

Third world countries have Third world religions and Third world reactions to World issues, often through ignorance. My argument is that this phenomenon has nothing to do with religion at its roots but all to do with World inequality.

I’m not trying to be contrary but I would argue that India and Pakistan/Bangladesh would be a good baseline to disprove this.

India has a brutal caste system and a horrific problem with rape and sexual assault but
those that practice Hinduism or Sikhism don’t seem to have the same level of dogmatic fervor as Pakistani/Bengali Muslims even though there is colossal poverty in India.

You can also look at countries like Nigeria where prosperity or poverty doesn’t matter and Christians are being slaughtered by Islamic groups.
Then of course there are countries like Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iran that show how different things were as recently as the 70’s before Islamic doctrine overcame them.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

IÂ’m not trying to be contrary but I would argue that India and Pakistan/Bangladesh would be a good baseline to disprove this.

India has a brutal caste system and a horrific problem with rape and sexual assault but
those that practice Hinduism or Sikhism donÂ’t seem to have the same level of dogmatic fervor as Pakistani/Bengali Muslims even though there is colossal poverty in India.

You can also look at countries like Nigeria where prosperity or poverty doesnÂ’t matter and Christians are being slaughtered by Islamic groups.
Then of course there are countries like Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iran that show how different things were as recently as the 70Â’s before Islamic doctrine overcame them.

Some of the violence carried out by Sikhs in the name of their faith is insane

Honour is a MASSIVE thing in that particular " dogma "

Its all as bad as the next when push comes to shove it just seems Islam is more organised

I mean all of them are based on their particular truth or book or interpretation

In general terms its all a variation on daftness and the power of faith over vulnerable people look at Jim Jones......if Islam is a cult then so is Christianity and its various off shoots

Millions were murdered and abused through the ages as Christianity spread

I thought Hitchings was a pompous git , much prefer Sam Harris who is a big cheese over on your side of the pond

[jon1959]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

I’m not trying to be contrary but I would argue that India and Pakistan/Bangladesh would be a good baseline to disprove this.

India has a brutal caste system and a horrific problem with rape and sexual assault but
those that practice Hinduism or Sikhism don’t seem to have the same level of dogmatic fervor as Pakistani/Bengali Muslims even though there is colossal poverty in India.

You can also look at countries like Nigeria where prosperity or poverty doesn’t matter and Christians are being slaughtered by Islamic groups.
Then of course there are countries like Lebanon, Afghanistan and Iran that show how different things were as recently as the 70’s before Islamic doctrine overcame them.

The pogrom against Muslims in parts of India a few years ago (including Dehli) - encouraged by the Modi government - doesn’t fit with your opinion.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Manchester terrorist attack.

Even the great Christopher Hitchens acknowledged that Islam is a very different horse.
The scale of terrorism attacks around the world over the last 25 years single it out for starters and then you have the way women, gay people and apostates are treated as well as those who mock or criticize the religion.

Do you think that there would likely be different responses to Bible being desecrated to that of a Koran from the believers in both books?
Is drawing a picture of Jesus allowed?
Is drawing a picture of Mohammed allowed and what would happen to the artist?

I believe in God, my wife is agnostic.
We both respect each others views and it has zero bearing on our relationship.

Hitchens acknowledged that Christianity's cruelty waned a tad compared to several centuries ago - whereas Islam is in a different place in its history and development.