The New Normal

[JamesWales]

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Ok, White Lightning.

Only in Metros I think.

First thing I ever got pissed on that was..in a farmers field whilst camping, whilst also having what used to be called "bean busters"

[Dorcus]

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I believe this latest in a line of long running spats started in a different thread when a Reform MP complained that there were too many non-white faces appearing in TV Commercials.

James first concluded that this was a fair point as DEI had gone too far. Later that evening he chastised a couple of posters for focusing on words and being silent on rape gangs, a 2024 murder in Walsall and the erroneous release of a paedophile. Others suggested that this bit of "whatabouttery" was drink induced.

I guess the crux of the argument subsequently raised was were James's views right wing and racist?

James states that he abhors racism and his posts were a balanced call out to others to develop a sense of perspective around words and the wider evil in the world.

Others, I guess, could point to the examples given, (Pakistani) rape gangs, a Sudanese asylum seeking knife murderer and an asylum seeking paedophile wrongly released as racial bias. Perhaps pondering why someone so keen eyed and balanced never seems to call out the significantly greater examples of rape gangs and stabbings perpetrated by members of the wider populace in the way he demands of others.

In James's defence we do have examples of his anti-racist views. We need look no further than his abhorance of the term "gammon" for instance. I guess what we are missing is any balanced reprimand of people like goslow, LoM and +native hipster as they spread their bile over this board!

And woe betide anyone who uses the F word or raises the name AH. These are banned in JW's book and he'll chastise misdemeanors most brutally.

[JamesWales]

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And woe betide anyone who uses the F word or raises the name AH. These are banned in JW's book and he'll chastise misdemeanors most brutally.

No, it's actually useful in this instance to remind Cyril and Sludge what the far-right actually is. As they seem to think mentioning the news of the day counts as it nowadays!

Thanks!

[cyril evans awaydays]

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No, it's actually useful in this instance to remind Cyril and Sludge what the far-right actually is. As they seem to think mentioning the news of the day counts as it nowadays!

Thanks!

Pretty ironic in a thread dominated by "put up or shut up" demands of evidence that you associate me with a phrase I have not used.

Unless of course you have evidence to the contrary. Wouldn't want to accuse you of being a liar or some such.

Thanks

[JamesWales]

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Pretty ironic in a thread dominated by "put up or shut up" demands of evidence that you associate me with a phrase I have not used.

Unless of course you have evidence to the contrary. Wouldn't want to accuse you of being a liar or some such.

Thanks

If that's not what you were implying Cyril, then that's fine! But thats certainly how it came across.

If you don't think that mentioning the biggest news stories that week makes someone racist or fat right, then great! We are in agreement and just need to win Sludge over!

[cyril evans awaydays]

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If that's not what you were implying Cyril, then that's fine! But thats certainly how it came across.

If you don't think that mentioning the biggest news stories that week makes someone racist or fat right, then great! We are in agreement and just need to win Sludge over!

I implied nothing. In my single post in this thread I raised a question on whether people could construe your selection box 40% proofed whatabouterry as racist and right wing.

Nowhere did I use the phrase far right and to suggest otherwise is a lie. Doubly ironic that in response you use the same use of implication that you seem to get triggered by when Sludge does precisely the same. Perhaps you two are well matched!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You just couldn’t help yourself could you? 😂😂

Thats because that's exactly what he is

Uses big words to make the same xenophobic posts as Tommy Robinson

Just thinks hes clever when hes doing it

Reminds me of Toby Young

He can do one too

[JamesWales]

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I implied nothing. In my single post in this thread I raised a question on whether people could construe your selection box 40% proofed whatabouterry as racist and right wing.

Nowhere did I use the phrase far right and to suggest otherwise is a lie. Doubly ironic that in response you use the same use of implication that you seem to get triggered by when Sludge does precisely the same. Perhaps you two are well matched!

These pseudo legal debates can be fun.

You did imply it when you (not me) mentioned the nationalities of people involved - implying it was a factor in why I mentioned it. The question in hand is whether Mr Factory was right to use the term "far right" and "racist" so entering into that debate needs to be understood in that context.

It's great that you seem to agree that mentioning the news of the week, and pondering why people get worked up about some things and not others is not racist or far right. 👍

[JamesWales]

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Thats because that's exactly what he is

Uses big words to make the same xenophobic posts as Tommy Robinson

Just thinks hes clever when hes doing it

Reminds me of Toby Young

He can do one too

I don't think I'm clever. I do think you are pretty dull sometimes though, and lie a lot, creating strawman arguments because the facts don't back up what you say.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Ha, fair play, i think you enjoyed writing that. If you are going to miss the point, why not do it whilst being pleased with yourself and offering some humour ;).

Of course, it didn't start in that thread. Sludge has a long history of abusive posts, to many posters. Often dripping in misogyny, on occasion racism (towards Priti Patel once for sure) and always towards anyone with a different political opinion. It's important to stand up to him, IMO. Of course, it can't be done all the time, but I think even you have called him up on it once or twice!

Sludge seems obsessed with the fact that perhaps a couple of years ago I explained I had taken a break (about a month or so) because I had posted on here pissed. I will be far from alone in that. It's often, but not always obvious when people do it, and it's bad form. We all have our vices of course. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned it.

In the thread in question, I mentioned events happening that week; the court case of the woman stabbed to death in Walsall and questioned why many on here get furious over comments about adverts that someone rightly apologised for, but have almost nothing to say about far more serious events. I posted the comment to Tuerto because he started talking about racism in relation to the TV adverts comments, but had little to say in the threads about the mass racist rape on young women. I pointed that out. It was rude of me, it was whataboutery, but it's still a question I don't understand the answer to.

I am genuinely interested why people do get so worked up on some things and not others. Genuinely now, I would love to know, because having looked again at the grooming gang thread on here, several are downplaying it.

I do abhor racism. I object strongly to identity politics because it amplifies differences and will only drive us apart. I do think a lot of the rhetoric from the left fuels division, just like much on the right does, and it frustrates me that people don't see it.

Cyril - you calling out the bile of others would be more sincere if not written in defence of someone who constantly pours abuse on here. As for the people I'm question, I am not sure who Goslow is. LOM I assume crossed a line and was banned? I recollect some outrage but never saw the post(s) in question. Native Hipster is a name I recognise. Was he the one who said something about Hitler? Again, I can't recollect. I have called out several examples of antisemitism on here in recent weeks as well.

Thanks for your post, but Sludge remains a liar. Asking why someone gets more upset over apologised comments about TV adverts than grooming gang scandals is not racist or far-right and tbh, I think you know that.

Now stop it pinnochio

You didn't do a runner the other night because you were pissed

You vanished because of the xenophobic bullshit you posted WHEN you were pissed

That was the issue

And thats why you were called out on it and thats why you scuttled off ....you didn't run off because you had a few beers , you ran off because the content of those posts went way beyond agreeing with that racist cow from reform moaning about black faces on adverts

Thats what you gor stung for

So keep trying to be philosophical, its all bollocks

I am off to Porthcawl

[cyril evans awaydays]

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These pseudo legal debates can be fun.

You did imply it when you (not me) mentioned the nationalities of people involved - implying it was a factor in why I mentioned it. The question in hand is whether Mr Factory was right to use the term "far right" and "racist" so entering into that debate needs to be understood in that context.

It's great that you seem to agree that mentioning the news of the week, and pondering why people get worked up about some things and not others is not racist or far right. ��

Again you imply from my post that I was implying that you were far right when there is nothing to support this and to suggest otherwise is, how you put it, a lie.

Now if you had said that the implication from my post outlining your wild inebriated whataboutery suggested that you were showing a racial bias you would have had me banged to rights!

[JamesWales]

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Again you imply from my post that I was implying that you were far right when there is nothing to support this and to suggest otherwise is, how you put it, a lie.

Now if you had said that the implication from my post outlining your wild inebriated whataboutery suggested that you were showing a racial bias you would have had me banged to rights!

So you aren't implying anything, but then a paragraph later you are implying I was being racially biased. Nice one, Cyril! 🥴

[JamesWales]

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Now stop it pinnochio

You didn't do a runner the other night because you were pissed

You vanished because of the xenophobic bullshit you posted WHEN you were pissed

That was the issue

And thats why you were called out on it and thats why you scuttled off ....you didn't run off because you had a few beers , you ran off because the content of those posts went way beyond agreeing with that racist cow from reform moaning about black faces on adverts

Thats what you gor stung for

So keep trying to be philosophical, its all bollocks

I am off to Porthcawl

I didn't do a runner. I posted on here about three days later. I didn't post again on the thread cos you are a bit of a tosser tbh and impossible to engage with, and didn't address the points I asked. Nor will you now.

I'll add xenophobic to a list of words that you seemingly have no idea of the meaning of, yet still throw around with gay abandon.

[Wales-Bales]

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I didn't do a runner. I posted on here about three days later. I didn't post again on the thread cos you are a bit of a tosser tbh and impossible to engage with, and didn't address the points I asked. Nor will you now.

I'll add xenophobic to a list of words that you seemingly have no idea of the meaning of, yet still throw around with gay abandon.

[JamesWales]

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Sludge will accuse me of being a raging homophobe now, you watch 🤣