The New Normal

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The New Normal

We established sometime ago that you agreed that I wasn't far right or racist Cyril. Keep up. You did then go on to make innuendos about racial bias which you haven't backed up though.

You have now said I have little issue with tens of thousands of deaths in Gaza.

So yes, if you could stop talking bollocks about me, that would be great, thanks

I guess all we need is any post you have made showing you have issue with the tens of thousands of deaths in Gaza to stop me talking bollocks and the circle is squared!

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

I've not missed your point at all. You could use the same argument about you becoming angry about the murder of one woman (awful as that was) and seemingly neglecting the murder of thousands of innocents including women and children in Gaza over two years!

I doubt the genocide doesn't bother you as I believe you to be fair minded underneath but I don't expect you to rank it alongside when showing concerns for the woman's murder. Both circumstances are horrible. Nevertheless, human beings quite rightly possess the capacity to address many issues simultaneously without minimising any one of them.

I think you allowed your better judgment to be affected by your prejudices and your instinctive need to defend a Reform member. Having said that we've all been in a position where too much alcohol has impaired our actions and so I've got some sympathy for you

In fairness, the above example is one that many have made. It's not true though. What's happened in Gaza is horrific, but it's gone on for years, tragically, and people have different opinions on how to solve it. I've criticized the pro-palestine marchers for sure, because I think they've extended the war, not reduced it.

Irrespective, I do take your point.

Bit the situation you outline above was all the more stark, when in one day, far more serious issues were overlooked and instead the thread started on here is about TV adverts. Again, that's a story, but it's incomparable to brutal murders or the early release of sex offenders.

The fact the thread was started was wholly party political, and you know it.

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

I guess all we need is any post you have made showing you have issue with the tens of thousands of deaths in Gaza to stop me talking bollocks and the circle is squared!

Plenty in here.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?459126-40-Killed-In-Hamas-Attacks-In-Israel/page85

Heres an idea. You are the person making this accusation. Why don't you find a post(s) that implies I don't care about the death of 70,000 Gazans (or a few thousand Israelis for that matter)

Go on, find one.

You operate differently to Sludge; you certainly score more highly on the smug factor as opposed to the aggression factor, but fundamentally you are doing the same thing. Telling lies that you can't back up.

[Dorcus]

Re: The New Normal

In fairness, the above example is one that many have made. It's not true though. What's happened in Gaza is horrific, but it's gone on for years, tragically, and people have different opinions on how to solve it. I've criticized the pro-palestine marchers for sure, because I think they've extended the war, not reduced it.

Irrespective, I do take your point.

Bit the situation you outline above was all the more stark, when in one day, far more serious issues were overlooked and instead the thread started on here is about TV adverts. Again, that's a story, but it's incomparable to brutal murders or the early release of
The fact the thread was started was wholly party political, and you know it.

I didn't start the thread so I don't know the OP's reasons for starting it but I couldn't see anything political in it at all. A simple minded woman in a position of authority made some egregious utterances which, quite apart from murders being lamentable, could lead to very dangerous consequences, not to mention the vile racism and manipulation. I think that was newsworthy and warranted discussion.

As I said I believe your natural instinct is to defend racists and deflect in the hope some are manipulated into thinking the story wasn't important. Much like you try to deflect with some of your other favourite agendas.

It's no big deal, you're entitled to your opinion but in this case everyone saw through you (maybe it was the alcohol) and you were roundly condemned.

That's about the size of it: it's no biggie and we move on.

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

I didn't start the thread so I don't know the OP's reasons for starting it but I couldn't see anything political in it at all. A simple minded woman in a position of authority made some egregious utterances which, quite apart from murders being lamentable, could lead to very dangerous consequences, not to mention the vile racism and manipulation. I think that was newsworthy and warranted discussion.

As I said I believe your natural instinct is to defend racists and deflect in the hope some are manipulated into thinking the story wasn't important. Much like you try to deflect with some of your other favourite agendas.

It's no big deal, you're entitled to your opinion but in this case everyone saw through you (maybe it was the alcohol) and you were roundly condemned.

That's about the size of it: it's no biggie and we move on.

Hmm..

1/ the thread is party political. It contains a party name in it.
2/ I criticised her. I didn't defend her
3 / The grooming gang scandals are arguably one of the greatest racist crimes in our countries history. So highlighting it, and questioning why others seem to be less interested in it is not defending racists, it's exposing them.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The New Normal

Plenty in here.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?459126-40-Killed-In-Hamas-Attacks-In-Israel/page85

Heres an idea. You are the person making this accusation. Why don't you find a post(s) that implies I don't care about the death of 70,000 Gazans (or a few thousand Israelis for that matter)

Go on, find one.

You operate differently to Sludge; you certainly score more highly on the smug factor as opposed to the aggression factor, but fundamentally you are doing the same thing. Telling lies that you can't back up.

Might being a bit thick but you don't seem to be a contributor to Page 85 of that post. Do you have a different reference point?

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

Might being a bit thick but you don't seem to be a contributor to Page 85 of that post. Do you have a different reference point?

There you go, I've put it onto page one for you.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?459126-40-Killed-In-Hamas-Attacks-In-Israel

[Dorcus]

Re: The New Normal

Hmm..

1/ the thread is party political. It contains a party name in it.
2/ I criticised her. I didn't defend her
3 / The grooming gang scandals are arguably one of the greatest racist crimes in our countries history. So highlighting it, and questioning why others seem to be less interested in it is not defending racists, it's exposing them.

Just because a thread contains a party name it doesn't make it overtly political; often it's used just for identification and quite rightly in this case because ( thankfully) the woman is not a household name.

If you did criticise her it then it didn't come over forcibly enough.

The grooming gang scandals are appalling, I quite agree with you but you are missing the point yet again. That is an entirely different subject and again you are stubbornly revealing your true colours by conflating it with the subject in hand. It is something akin to discussing the merits of VAR in a thread about the cost of potatoes.

You have every opportunity to open a new thread about grooming gangs if you want a thorough discussion on it but it has absolutely nothing to do with this inconsequential woman's vile racist comments.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The New Normal

There you go, I've put it onto page one for you.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...acks-In-Israel

Which post on Page 1 is you?

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

Which post on Page 1 is you?

You are the one saying I am ambivalent about people's deaths in Gaza. I suggested you find a post to back that up.

Good luck.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The New Normal

Shush, liar.

The liar on here is you

And you are rightly getting a leathering

Shush now fibster

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The New Normal

I didn't start the thread so I don't know the OP's reasons for starting it but I couldn't see anything political in it at all. A simple minded woman in a position of authority made some egregious utterances which, quite apart from murders being lamentable, could lead to very dangerous consequences, not to mention the vile racism and manipulation. I think that was newsworthy and warranted discussion.

As I said I believe your natural instinct is to defend racists and deflect in the hope some are manipulated into thinking the story wasn't important. Much like you try to deflect with some of your other favourite agendas.

It's no big deal, you're entitled to your opinion but in this case everyone saw through you (maybe it was the alcohol) and you were roundly condemned.

That's about the size of it: it's no biggie and we move on.

People saw through, roundly condemned.......all he needed to do was hold up his hand .....and no biggie ....things move on

But hes simply too pig headed and stubborn to do so

So bollocks to him coming back and acting all superior mr philosophical after he thinks the coast is clear

His card is marked , if he wants a decent school report he knows what to do

[JamesWales]

Re: The New Normal

People saw through, roundly condemned.......all he needed to do was hold up his hand .....and no biggie ....things move on

But hes simply too pig headed and stubborn to do so

So bollocks to him coming back and acting all superior mr philosophical after he thinks the coast is clear

His card is marked , if he wants a decent school report he knows what to do

Happy to bring the discussion to a close based with the humorous image of you as a teacher handing out school reports to CCMB posters!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The New Normal

Happy to bring the discussion to a close based with the humorous image of you as a teacher handing out school reports to CCMB posters!

Are they still doing those DRB checks ?

Its political correctness gone mad