The Donald Trump thread

[JamesWales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

I don't know how many Muslim people you know, but I know quite a lot and none of them fit the description you have given.

There is clearly a serious threat from a small number of radicalised Islamists who have been behind some high profile terrorist attacks in Europe in recent years. But the biggest number (10x the number from Islamists) of terror incidents come from political separatists followed by far right domestic terrorists.

The UK has also suffered the impact of several grooming gangs (many of Pakistani heritage - not all - but mostly not immigrants as claimed in the US social media bubble), and a failure of police and other local agencies to pay attention to reports and act on them properly. Those incidents were horrific and a scandal, and went on for decades, but they are well over a decade old. Children may still be abused, but the culture of turning a blind eye is hopefully over, and both the media and judicial investigations are on the case. There was more government action to dig deeper in January.

A lot of women and girls were victims, and no one should downplay the crimes. But the reality of what happened, and the reality of Islamist terrorism, is not what is reflected back by US social media and the bile of politicians like Marjory Taylor Greene. That is full of racist shit, made up rubbish about no-go areas in major cities, London-stan and the rest. This from a country with a massively bigger right wing domestic terror problem (accounting for the majority of attacks and plots since 9/11), and nearly 20,000 murder deaths a year.

I may not be typical - although I think maybe I am - but I am going to the USA next month (went for the first time last year) and I know I feel safer in Europe (any part of Europe) than I do in the 'land of the free'.

I'm not sure about that stat about there being 10X more terrorist attacks from seperatists than Islamists in Europe in recent years?

Surely can't be true?

As for extreme right-wing, the most horrific was Anders Breivik in Norway but that was still half the number in the Paris attacks and I can't think of other large-scale far-right ones?

[JamesWales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

There was a thread on here a while ago about the left and the more conservative or radical elements of Islam and their awkward relationship. I think there's a lot of things coming into play. A natural anti-racism and anti - colonialism approach that perhaps haven't been adapted for more modern times, I dunno.

It is odd though and people keep very quiet on it, presumably for the reason of not wanting to inflamed community relations. The thing is, ignoring things most often makes the issues worse in my opinion

[JamesWales]

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The conclusion is that human beings can be evil and despotism, greed, power, Narcissism, Nationalism, racism, religion and other factors can be used to inflict unspeakable pain and suffering. We should all embrace solidarity and be vigilant against these malign influences.

Inshallah and amen to that! 👍

[stevo]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

[JamesWales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

I think we are the same with America though aren't we. Comparing a country that is more or less the size of Europe and applying blanket assumptions on school safety and the like.

So whereas a mass stabbing here happens in Germany, then the UK then Netherlands or whatever, we will report them all as happening in one country

[jon1959]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topics/en/article/20250124STO26468/terrorism-in-the-eu-trends-terror-attacks-and-arrests-in-2023#:~:text=According%20to%20the%202024%20EU,France%3A%2080%20attacks

[JamesWales]

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https://www.europarl.europa.eu/topic...2080%20attacks

That's interesting, and it reminded me of this one I saw a year or two ago (which does give much greater prominence to jihadist groups etc)

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/terrorism-eu-facts-figures/

I genuinely don't know what they are recording as seperatist groups? Ireland and the Basque country much lesser than before. I know corsica has some rumblings and parts of Belgium too, but not anything serious or particularly newsworthy.

The one I've posted there also has left-wing terrorism far higher than right-wing which I find hard to believe.

Genuinely curious as to what they are counting as terrorism.

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

I’m talking about Americans having a skewed perception of Europe and the U.K. and that you’re better placed than most on here to see that first hand.

Some certainly do, although the internet has altered perceptions a lot over the time that I’ve been here.

Hardcore MAGA refuse to accept any wrongdoing by Trump or his administration regardless of the consequences.
Many though are incredibly chill and well traveled.
For every Roscoe P Coltrane there is an Anthony Bourdain.

[az city]

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The conclusion is here that people of all faiths and none people on the far left and far right and in-between, and people of all ages and nationalities are capable of committing the most horrific crimes. Any conclusion other than that requires an ignorance of history.

All those liberal progressive anti-theist despots ...

[JamesWales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

All those liberal progressive anti-theist despots ...

You disagreeing with that summary are you?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Christian Priests have been abusing kids for hundreds of years

Just today the recently " retired " archbishop Welby has given a pathetic interview to the BBC about the failure of him and his crew to act on a well known paedophile

It seems incredible that these Christian abusers merge into the background and have done for years

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

My post denied nothing of the sort

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

What should I know better about?
I was responding to a post that essentially denied that Europe has a problem with Islam.

I am honestly baffled how deep thinking liberal folk can defend Islam.
Maybe it’s because the likes of Yaxley-Lennon speak about it?

No , you have taken this the wrong way

He's saying that the media can skew opinions and mould views and that you living in America would know that the media over there is particularly poisonous and guilty of gross generalisations , racism and a whole lot more

Eg Fox News etc

[Wash DC Blue]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

My post denied nothing of the sort

I’m not referring to you Sludge.
I just think there is a criminal silence to a specific religion that preaches and practices ideals that would make the far/alt right blush.

A friend of mine over here was put in prison in Iran for listening to and wearing Metal T-Shirts.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

Christian Priests have been abusing kids for hundreds of years

Just today the recently " retired " archbishop Welby has given a pathetic interview to the BBC about the failure of him and his crew to act on a well known paedophile

It seems incredible that these Christian abusers merge into the background and have done for years

Even worse watching him again this morning

What a pathetic excuse for his complete lack of backbone