The Donald Trump thread

[Wales-Bales]

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So to bring this ever more detailed true story together.

Some friends of ours got car-jacked just outside of Cape Town while on holiday were following the recommended directions from a road map app, but they didn't know it was a dangerous route and shots were fired at them by multiple shooters. Luckily they managed to get away by flooring it, even though all the windows were bricked out. The road in front of them was blocked off with rocks and burning tyres, and there was a large mob of people gathered there. They had a very lucky escape.

Anything else you would like to add?

You need to experience it for yourself. Would you like me to buy you a ticket?

[jon1959]

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I’ve heard Gaza is pretty bad these days, anything to say on that?

He has got no interest in real genocide.

[jeepster]

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He has got no interest in real genocide.

Only 23 white farmers were killed,but thousands of Gaza children were.
There is only genocide in one place and it is not Africa.Bibi is his best mate.

[jon1959]

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Only 23 white farmers were killed,but thousands of Gaza children were.
There is only genocide in one place and it is not Africa.Bibi is his best mate.

Gareth Newham, who heads a justice and violence prevention program at the Institute for Security Studies in South Africa.

“As an independent Institute tracking violence and violent crime in South Africa, if there was any evidence of either a genocide or targeted violence taking place against any group based on their ethnicity this, we would be amongst the first to raise (the) alarm and provide the evidence to the world.”

There are about 2.7 million white Afrikaners, who are descendants of Dutch and French settlers, in South Africa. About 80% of the people living in South Africa are Black. From 1948 until the early 1990s, South Africa lived under apartheid rule, racial segregation that gave only white people power and forced Black South Africans to live separately from white people.

In response to our email seeking evidence for Trump’s statements, the White House provided no data. A spokesperson said Afrikaners told U.S. officials about violent attacks, death threats, vandalism and racial slurs against farmers.

Newham said the primary motive for almost all farm attacks is robbery, which has long been documented.

“Attacks where there may be evidence of racial or political motives (i.e. slogans written on the wall at a scene of a crime, or words spoken by the attacker according to the victim), are exceedingly rare and make up only a few percent of the cases recorded,”
Newham said.

The majority of murder victims nationwide are poor, under- or unemployed young Black males....

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claims-of-white-farmer-genocide-in-south-africa

[Wales-Bales]

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Only 23 white farmers were killed,but thousands of Gaza children were.
There is only genocide in one place and it is not Africa.Bibi is his best mate.

0ne murder of anybody is too many, but hey-ho lets turn the slaughter of innocent people into a points scoring exercise.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Only 23 white farmers were killed,but thousands of Gaza children were.
There is only genocide in one place and it is not Africa.Bibi is his best mate.

Careful Jeeps, the Sage of Sandy Hook and this sort of shit has spoken.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?444789-8-year-old-girl-murdered-by-BLM-protesters

[Wales-Bales]

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Careful Jeeps, the Sage of Sandy Hook and this sort of shit has spoken.

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...BLM-protesters

Did you forget to take your medicine again?

[jeepster]

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0ne murder of anybody is too many, but hey-ho lets turn the slaughter of innocent people into a points scoring exercise.

Nothing too do with scoring points just facts.

[jon1959]

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0ne murder of anybody is too many, but hey-ho lets turn the slaughter of innocent people into a points scoring exercise.

This is the Donald Trump thread and this particular discussion arose because Trump, his administration and his press machine have chosen to label the situation of white Afrikaners in South Africa as one of genocide, whilst refusing to describe the mass murder, starvation and displacement of Palestinians in Gaza and Palestine in general as genocide.

They are not attempting to project equivalence - they are claiming that South African Afrikaners are the bigger victims!

It is not about a points scoring exercise, it is about challenging the lies, deflection and cynical abuse of language by Trump and his many apologists (including on here). Some relatively wealthy and privileged white farmers in South Africa have been killed during robberies on their farms. Some of the people responsible have used racial labels in identifying their targets. But South Africa is still a violent and broken country after centuries of colonial exploitation and apartheid, and white victims of crime are individual tragedies but not disproportionate to the overall picture of violent death in that country.

There is no state policy of ethnic discrimination and no attempt by a dominant majority to destroy South African whites. They are in government, hold many of the most powerful positions in South African society, and are generally much richer, more privileged and safer than non-white South Africans. The Trump claims are an inversion of the truth. They are a sick PR stunt.

(UN Convention on Genocide: Definition - 'genocide means any.... acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group'.)

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

[jon1959]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce81334je72o

And....

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/africa/trump-image-dead-white-farmers-congo-not-south-africa-rcna208699

By Reuters

JOHANNESBURG — President Donald Trump showed a screenshot of Reuters video taken in the Democratic Republic of Congo as part of what he falsely presented on Wednesday as evidence of mass killings of white South Africans.

“These are all white farmers that are being buried,” said Trump, holding up a print-out of an article accompanied by the picture during a contentious Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.

In fact, the video, published by Reuters on Feb. 3 and subsequently verified by the news agency’s fact check team, showed humanitarian workers lifting body bags in the Congolese city of Goma. The image was pulled from Reuters footage shot following deadly battles with Rwanda-backed M23 rebels.

[stevo]

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[stevo]

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With a typical Karoline Leavitt response when challenged. So unprofessional.

[Heathblue]

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With a typical Karoline Leavitt response when challenged. So unprofessional.

You would though wouldn't you

[stevo]

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You would though wouldn't you

Absolutely not! A hideous, grotesque woman. Not my type looks wise either.