Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[blue matt]

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Do you think that online shops should also be banned from selling "non-essential" goods?

its a joke, lets be honest

My mum phoned me yesterday ( we speak most days during covid ) and was worried if her kettle breaks, she will have to boil water on the hob

Now i know she is old, hasnt a lot of think about, so someone phones her, mentioned if the kettle breaks, so she frets about it

I got on Amazon and sent her one, as a spare, thats one thing less for her to fret about she will find something else today i am sure

[LeningradCowboy]

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What's that got to do with anything? The point here is that specialist shops were forced to close first time around while supermarkets carried on selling the goods they traded in - that's discrimination and something should be done about it, the problem was that a term like "non essential goods" was never going to be precise enough to ensure this happened.

Maybe it would have been better if the type of shops that had to close were listed and supermarkets told they couldn't sell the goods these shops specialised in?

Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

[LeningradCowboy]

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The short falls and vulnerability of welsh critical care services were well recognised in 2011 after influenza pandemic. Measures to address them were proposed including Capacity, ECMO, and infection control and PPE provision. We should not lose a second chance after Covid

— Jack Parry-Jones (@JackParryJones2) October 21, 2020

[Hilts]

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its a joke, lets be honest

My mum phoned me yesterday ( we speak most days during covid ) and was worried if her kettle breaks, she will have to boil water on the hob

Now i know she is old, hasnt a lot of think about, so someone phones her, mentioned if the kettle breaks, so she frets about it

I got on Amazon and sent her one, as a spare, thats one thing less for her to fret about she will find something else today i am sure

Last lockdown was toilet roll.

Now its panic buying kettles.

[Heisenberg]

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Last lockdown was toilet roll.

Now its panic buying kettles.

It seems that panic buying has reached boiling point already.

[delmbox]

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People are going mad, people who I doubt read more than a book a year kicking off about their access to books being restricted. Or what if the telly breaks, or the kettle, or they need to buy clothes. It's like there was absolutely no notice whatsoever, or you can't buy literally everything online, or that it's not just for two weeks.

As with every other decision related to Covid though, there's some people who are legitimately caused problems by it. For example something I didn't think about but I heard a foster carer say is that often they get kids brought to them at very short notice with just the clothes on their back, so in that case they'd go straight to the supermarket which they can't do. I'd hope there's a proviso for extreme circumstances but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended being up at the manager's discretion.

[Vindec]

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I didn't see him get a hammering, but, clearly, banning "non essential" sales without giving some sort of idea what the term entailed was going to be a problem. However, I've no problem with the logic behind the original decision in that smaller, independent shops were, effectively, being discriminated against because supermarkets had sold the goods they specialised in while they were told they had to close.

It seemed to me that the Welsh government is receiving the same kind of criticisms that the UK government faced such as unclear messaging and now a U turn is likely. Vaughan Gethin is a good media performer but he couldn't satisfactorily answer the criticisms he is receiving with regard to supermarkets being banned from so called inessential goods. That was my point.

[the other bob wilson]

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Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

In a way yes, but this is specifically about shops whereby you were allowed to go into a supermarket and, say, buy a football in the spring, but not allowed to go into a specialist sports shop to do the same thing. The specialist sport shop proprietor knows that there is on line competition seven days a week/fifty two weeks a year, but in the spring, they were not allowed to compete against them or the supermarkets that sold sports goods - the current closures are not perfect for them of course, but, at least, some of the competition would not have the unfair advantage they enjoyed in the spring.

[Hilts]

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Aren't you still discriminating against specialist high street shops if online shops can continue to sell the same goods?

There is nothing to stop high street shops trading online is there.?

[BLUETIT]

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It seems that panic buying has reached boiling point already.

Trust you to spout up

[surge]

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To quote myself from another thread...

To be fair, think those who are still buying a TV in a shop are unlikely to move to doing it online now if they haven't already made that move on the US version of Black Friday last year/the year before/the year before etc. If this making the public realise that shops need support then hopefully that feeling lasts 17 days and continues into next year because I've also seen comments from bookshop owners about people asking them to research what a book is before being told thanks but the potential customer will now find it online.

What is essential? What isn't? It's a minefield that could have been avoided without these depressing images, though with a 17 day fire-break as opposed to a 4 week one (NI) we do need tighter restrictions (self-imposed or otherwise) and people to play ball for it to work.

It's under review now so we'll hear next week what happens.

Further points:

i) though this is the most signed petition on the Senedd page not everyone signing will be living in Wales. Davina McCall, one example, is one of the signatures and pretty sure she doesn't live here.

ii) If you feel angry on behalf of local shops, want to support smaller business but ultimately are going to shop online please consider using alternatives to Amazon:

Hive – Hive is a brilliant concept, enabling you to buy books, ebooks, DVD & blu-ray, music, stationery and gifts online in much the same way as on Amazon, but with the twist that every time you make a purchase you are supporting your local independent shop. Free UK Delivery on all orders: https://www.hive.co.uk/?wgu=10671_16...ampaign=164105

Traidcraft – A huge array of Fairtrade products encompassing; groceries, houseware goods, stationery, toys, gifts, christmas decorations, clothing and jewellery: https://www.traidcraftshop.co.uk/

OnBuy.com – For consumers who want everything in one place in the way Amazon offers it: https://www.onbuy.com/gb/?exta=ethrev

[Rjk]

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thanks for that hive link, I'll check that out

[BLUETIT]

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thanks for that hive link, I'll check that out

Ok honey, bee quick

[LeningradCowboy]

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In a way yes, but this is specifically about shops whereby you were allowed to go into a supermarket and, say, buy a football in the spring, but not allowed to go into a specialist sports shop to do the same thing. The specialist sport shop proprietor knows that there is on line competition seven days a week/fifty two weeks a year, but in the spring, they were not allowed to compete against them or the supermarkets that sold sports goods - the current closures are not perfect for them of course, but, at least, some of the competition would not have the unfair advantage they enjoyed in the spring.

So why don't you want to remove the unfair advantage from all the competition?

[poc]

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its a joke, lets be honest

My mum phoned me yesterday ( we speak most days during covid ) and was worried if her kettle breaks, she will have to boil water on the hob

Now i know she is old, hasnt a lot of think about, so someone phones her, mentioned if the kettle breaks, so she frets about it

I got on Amazon and sent her one, as a spare, thats one thing less for her to fret about she will find something else today i am sure

well donebut its what the older generation are like always worry about something