Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Whisperer]

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The illness is real and it seems to be spreading more.

I guess our only way out is a vaccine. They are apparently, going to approve the Oxford one a few days after Xmas (see a post I made in the previous page that links to a Telegraph article) and if they give the half dose first, then that vaccine alone would be enough for the whole UK population (based on the amounts we have ordered). If it is standard dose first, then we will have enough vaccines, as the government have ordered Pfizer and Moderna ones. But with this second paragraph, I am a random guy on an MB so some nuances will be missed but back to the point, the virus mutation seems real to me.

I know the illness is real I posted a few months back how it ripped through the village where I grew up and 3 out of 4 men who apparently caught it in the local boozer died from it. I just don’t like the way the government is going about the locking down in London it does feel like an us and them. One thing I will say is if it’s mutating like they say then don’t count too much on a vaccine.

[goats]

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I know the illness is real I posted a few months back how it ripped through the village where I grew up and 3 out of 4 men who apparently caught it in the local boozer died from it. I just don’t like the way the government is going about the locking down in London it does feel like an us and them. One thing I will say is if it’s mutating like they say then don’t count too much on a vaccine.

They always mutate. It has 24 times since it emerged in China. Fortunately coronavirus are far more stable than things like flu and others around.

[Whisperer]

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They always mutate. It has 24 times since it emerged in China. Fortunately coronavirus are far more stable than things like flu and others around.

That’s why I said I’m sceptical with what is being put out, Boris got these scientists in his pocket they’ll bend the stats to suit the narrative.

[surge]

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London has now had four strategies in four weeks. Earlier in the week schools in London were being threatened with legal action if they wanted to close early.

Saving Christmas was all about saving Christmas shopping, wasn't it? Again, bad communication, again, late decisions.

Regarding communication, different approaches for different nations within the UK is not confusing if we're allowed for more than 30 seconds to discuss what's going on in Wales, Scotland, NI.

I think the nature of knowing we were heading into another lockdown after Christmas has lessened the shock here in Wales. Love it or hate it, there is the idea that us "being in it together" ensures greater compliance with the guidance and therefore have gone for that approach for most of this year, and in this case it's probably helped because we know going hard and early protects lives - borrowing a Scottish approach for this winter, but I do hope we're aiming for varying tiers within local areas, Feb onwards, to give as many areas as possible a boost when we can.

[The Lone Gunman]

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London has now had four strategies in four weeks.

How many strategies has Cardiff had during the same period? Not a rhetorical question - I honestly don't know the answer, but it feels like we've had several.

[goats]

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London has now had four strategies in four weeks. Earlier in the week schools in London were being threatened with legal action if they wanted to close early.

Saving Christmas was all about saving Christmas shopping, wasn't it? Again, bad communication, again, late decisions.

I think the nature of knowing we were heading into another lockdown after Christmas has lessened the shock here in Wales. Love it or hate it, there is the idea that us "being in it together" ensures greater compliance with the guidance and therefore have gone for that approach for most of this year, and in this case it's probably helped because we know going hard and early protects lives - a Scottish approach for winter, but I do hope we're aiming for varying tiers within local areas, Feb onwards, to give as many areas as possible a boost when we can.

With this new variant, it could be lockdown until the vaccines rolled out enough to cope stated on bbc news today. That’s going to really be a kick in the balls for many people if so. Roll on Easter.

[surge]

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How many strategies has Cardiff had during the same period? Not a rhetorical question - I honestly don't know the answer, but it feels like we've had several.

I would guess at three different strategies but can't tell you for sure.

[Eric Cartman]

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London has now had four strategies in four weeks. Earlier in the week schools in London were being threatened with legal action if they wanted to close early.

Saving Christmas was all about saving Christmas shopping, wasn't it? Again, bad communication, again, late decisions.

Regarding communication, different approaches for different nations within the UK is not confusing if we're allowed for more than 30 seconds to discuss what's going on in Wales, Scotland, NI.

I think the nature of knowing we were heading into another lockdown after Christmas has lessened the shock here in Wales. Love it or hate it, there is the idea that us "being in it together" ensures greater compliance with the guidance and therefore have gone for that approach for most of this year, and in this case it's probably helped because we know going hard and early protects lives - borrowing a Scottish approach for this winter, but I do hope we're aiming for varying tiers within local areas, Feb onwards, to give as many areas as possible a boost when we can.

I was in tier 2 on Friday, tier 3 on Saturday and tier 4 today. Our positive case rate per 100k is around 50 a day. This period is the biggest shambles of the lot and the UK gov had set a pretty high bar.

Agree 100%, it was all a little freebie to the shops from the gov. They have prioritised people meeting their families on Christmas today to make sure we can all go out and buy a load of shite.

[Elwood Blues]

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I presume That If Keir Starmer is criticising Boris about the late Christmas change, he has also been on the phone to tell Mark Drakeford off for doing the same???

He avoided a question about the response of the devolved administrations on Sky this morning.

I don't trust either of the leaders of our two main parties at all. Different characters, both untrustworthy.

[goats]

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I presume That If Keir Starmer is criticising Boris about the late Christmas change, he has also been on the phone to tell Mark Drakeford off for doing the same???

He avoided a question about the response of the devolved administrations on Sky this morning.

I don't trust either of the leaders of our two main parties at all. Different characters, both untrustworthy.

Anyone can see through the political guff, to think he would have done any different is bollox, no leader wanted to take Christmas away from the people. It’s easy for him to say this as leader of the opposition. Don’t tell me, labour would have cancelled meeting at Christmas weeks ago? I would have gone along with it personally as I think we are almost there, but no leader wanted to ratify it.

[Vindec]

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Anyone can see through the political guff, to think he would have done any different is bollox, no leader wanted to take Christmas away from the people. It’s easy for him to say this as leader of the opposition. Don’t tell me, labour would have cancelled meeting at Christmas weeks ago? I would have gone along with it personally as I think we are almost there, but no leader wanted to ratify it.

I agree. The government acted swiftly which is commendable. Dr Susan Hopkins of Public Health England indicated this morning that the results of their work on the mutated virus were only presented to the government on Friday and they acted on Saturday.

Would Keir Starmer have cancelled Xmas before the results of research had been completed? Possibly as the numbers were rising but I doubt it. I had to laugh when Lisa Nandy said on the TV this morning that Labour had been consistent in their messaging on the virus forgetting that originally they were opposed to schools reopening supporting the Unions opposition and now she is saying schools should be the last to close and the first to open. That presumes she also thinks abstaining from voting from important Parliamentary debates is clear when to most of us Labour's position is as clear as mud.

In fairness Drakeford has acted quickly in response to the new virus. Fortunately he didn't take account of the messaging coming from Starmer.

[The Bloop]

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The governments are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Public pressure forced them into a Christmas relaxation of the rules, and now they get criticised for acting swiftly on the new scientific evidence regarding the new strain. Whatever the leaders say and do though, doesnt make any difference to all those idiots in London last night who thought the best thing to do was to crowd the stations, pack onto the trains and spread the new strain around the country.
In a month or so, the same people will be making the same journey to attend their loved ones funeral.

[Hilts]

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Acted swiftly????

Its a shambles.

Im pretty certain Starmer wouldnt have had the 5 day XMas get together.

Johnson is a joke. Watch his pathetic performance in Parliament on Wednesday.

Drakeford in my opinion bottled it and went along with the 5 day plan. Weak.

Days ago Johnson was scoffing and flippant in Parliament accusing Starmer of wanting Christmas cancelled.

Starmer is right its one feck up after another from a useless government full of pro brexit loonies who are completely out of their depth.

Time to move on to their next feck up

[surge]

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I agree. The government acted swiftly which is commendable. Dr Susan Hopkins of Public Health England indicated this morning that the results of their work on the mutated virus were only presented to the government on Friday and they acted on Saturday.

Would Keir Starmer have cancelled Xmas before the results of research had been completed?

Firstly, Starmer has the easy job of calling for greater action before it happens. Either he's right and people remember or he's wrong and most people forget. Labour certainly have not consistenly called for education to be treated as a priority but have for quite some time now.

However, though extremely difficult, wouldn't it have been better to cancel Christmas? Out of England's lockdown: cases were rising in the south, it's winter so strain on health services anyway, we're weeks away from students travelling across the country which previously saw a fresh spike in cases - London was put into tier two... cases were again rising, greater winter strain, and weeks away from students etc. - London was put into tier three... cases were again rising and now we've identified a new vaccine - scramble to make a decision but horse has probably already bolted. A lot of the wiggle room was sacrificed long before this weeks research was finalised in order to give a normal Christmas.

Abstaining in parliament is a bit like spoiling the ballot paper when we vote. If there are no good enough options/options you believe in what else are you meant to do while still taking part in the process? It's silly to expect opposition to oppose everything and silly to expect them to support government's position.

[Vindec]

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Acted swiftly????

Its a shambles.

Im pretty certain Starmer wouldnt have had the 5 day XMas get together.

Johnson is a joke. Watch his pathetic performance in Parliament on Wednesday.

Drakeford in my opinion bottled it and went along with the 5 day plan. Weak.

Days ago Johnson was scoffing and flippant in Parliament accusing Starmer of wanting Christmas cancelled.

Starmer is right its one feck up after another from a useless government full of pro brexit loonies who are completely out of their depth.

Time to move on to their next feck up

As I stated the lead Doctor in Public Health England stated this morning that the government only received definitive information on the link between the virus mutation and the rapid increase in numbers on Friday; they acted Saturday. That is what I meant by quick.

Starmer was calling for stricter measures on Wednesday at PMQs before the link between the mutated virus and the increasing numbers were known. Obviously we differ on whether Starmer would have cancelled Xmas earlier.