Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Yeah, but you saying that doesn't help matters when you're purposely looking for an argument.

Perhaps you can answer my question if you're so confident...

If the WAG had the same powers as the UK Govt., why were they granted powers in the Coronavirus Act 2020?

you mean the powers that were granted to the UK government at the same time?

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What political party do you think I support?

I am in no way a labour supporter, I've no idea why you think that?

I have no idea, nor do I care. However your continued Tory bashing whilst at the same time ignoring the chuckle**** that is Drakeford is rather telling.

[lisvaneblue]

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That's your opinion (although I highly doubt it's your actual opinion).

What about the bit about the WAG not being able to legally close the border before those powers were granted in the Covid act?

Also, regarding the Stereophonics gig...

This is in the Coronavirus Act 2020:

'Powers regarding public gatherings and premises

The Act gives ministers, including in the devolved administrations, the power to restrict or prohibit gatherings or events, and the power to close or restrict access to premises. The minister can only use this power if they have made an official declaration that the virus constitutes a “serious and imminent” threat to public health, and that using the powers would either help to control the transmission of the virus, or would facilitate the most appropriate deployment of medical/emergency resources.'

Somebody please explain to me why that the act gave these powers to devolved ministers if they already had this power?

All four home countries were granted emergency powers on 8 March 2020. The Stereophoncis gig was mid-March so Wales Gov could have stopped it. It would however have been a very unpopular move.

[lardy]

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I have no idea, nor do I care. However your continued Tory bashing whilst at the same time ignoring the chuckle**** that is Drakeford is rather telling.

At the end of the day, this really is what it's about. People are criticising 'my team' too much, and not 'their team'.

[lardy]

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All four home countries were granted emergency powers on 8 March 2020. The Stereophoncis gig was mid-March so Wales Gov could have stopped it. It would however have been a very unpopular move.

The Stereophonics gig should have been cancelled. Many said it at the time. It was a massive error that probably cost lives.

However it was months ago. The more recent resurgence in the spread of the virus is nothing to do with it.

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At the end of the day, this really is what it's about. People are criticising 'my team' too much, and not 'their team'.

I believe we should be criticising all teams, because all teams are culpable and have played their part in this shambles.

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The Stereophonics gig should have been cancelled. Many said it at the time. It was a massive error that probably cost lives.

However it was months ago. The more recent resurgence in the spread of the virus is nothing to do with it.

what do you think the current resurgence is to do with? the new strain being more virulent perhaps? the apparent apathy of people to stay at home? all are factors that have contributed.

if you recall the first lockdown, when you ventured outside it was like a ghost town, then people started venturing out. compare that to lockdown 2 and 3, its almost as if nothing has happened. The streets aren't as busy as normal, but they are busy.

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Ahem...

PPE...Thank you the Guardian. They mention UK DHSC, but that body is essentially for England regarding Health. I say again PHW and NHS are the responsible bodies in Wales. Latterly Drakeford has spoken how well Wales did securing PPE to the extent that we helped England out.

Lockdown....Of course we could have locked down earlier but we chose not to. It takes guts and we could have locked down without a furlough scheme in place. It would have traumatic with a lot of people on the dole but we could have done it.

Track and Trace...Wales could have done its own thing, in fact it did I think in Ceredigion and it worked well. Track and trace is not the world beater that was promised but to add to that Wales had real problems getting timely results and that's not Westminsters fault.

I don't where issue about borders came in because I didn't raise it.

Ahem again...

You keep missing the point...

Who was in control stockpiling PPE in preparation for a pandemic? The fact that Wales had to work so hard to procure so much PPE was down to the fact that the stockpile was so depleted. Are you conveniently forgetting that?

I know you realise that by having a national, Welsh-only lockdown then that would obviously include Wales closing the border with England. Are you categorically telling me that Wales had the power to do that?

That's why I mentioned borders to you.

I think a couple of you are playing dumb or just being disingenuous today.

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All four home countries were granted emergency powers on 8 March 2020. The Stereophoncis gig was mid-March so Wales Gov could have stopped it. It would however have been a very unpopular move.

Then the criticism is completely fair. The WAG f**ked that one up completely.

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Ahem again...

You keep missing the point...

Who was in control stockpiling PPE in preparation for a pandemic? The fact that Wales had to work so hard to procure so much PPE was down to the fact that the stockpile was so depleted. Are you conveniently forgetting that?

I know you realise that by having a national, Welsh-only lockdown then that would obviously include Wales closing the border with England. Are you categorically telling me that Wales had the power to do that?

That's why I mentioned borders to you.

I think a couple of you are playing dumb or just being disingenuous today.

it was down to the Welsh NHS and PHW to stockpile PPE - they did not. It was the same issue in England. So whilst PHE and the NHS are responsible for the lack of PPE in England, the same is said of PHW and the Welsh NHS in Wales.

As for your comments about the English border, the police were patrolling it, and turning people around.

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Then the criticism is completely fair. The WAG f**ked that one up completely.

of course they did, just like the UK government allowing Cheltenham was a cluster ****, but you won't see criticism of Drakeford or Welsh Labour from many on here, like you do with Boris and chums.

[Heisenberg]

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Wait a second....

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2019-21/coronavirus.html

"Following agreement by both Houses on the text of the Bill it received Royal Assent on 25 March. The Bill is now an Act of Parliament (law)."

25th of March. Not the 8th of March.

Am I missing something glaring here or are you telling fibs Lisvaneblue?

Always happy to be corrected if I've got it wrong.

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I believe we should be criticising all teams, because all teams are culpable and have played their part in this shambles.

All teams should be criticised.

But I will remind you that the Prime Minister has admitted full responsibility for all the deaths in the UK. But thinks that being 'deeply sorry' is enough, and will continue in his job, no doubt dishing out more large contracts to Tory donors.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Ahem again...

You keep missing the point...

Who was in control stockpiling PPE in preparation for a pandemic? The fact that Wales had to work so hard to procure so much PPE was down to the fact that the stockpile was so depleted. Are you conveniently forgetting that?

I know you realise that by having a national, Welsh-only lockdown then that would obviously include Wales closing the border with England. Are you categorically telling me that Wales had the power to do that?

That's why I mentioned borders to you.

I think a couple of you are playing dumb or just being disingenuous today.

In July I was speaking to a Director at Sport Wales National Centre [Sophia Gardens]. In March he and several of his Co directors at other Bodies had sourced PPE from reliable sources but had to go through Procurement Wales to place orders. Procurement Wales refused as the suppliers were not on the approved suppliers list.

By almost every standard Wales is at the bottom of the UK list.

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of course they did, just like the UK government allowing Cheltenham was a cluster ****, but you won't see criticism of Drakeford or Welsh Labour from many on here, like you do with Boris and chums.

Are you kidding?! They all get a hammering on here ya soft git