Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Allez Allez Allez]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html?fbclid=IwAR0npgFbnLQxW43mNncEPSd7CjrhUbxn3eJgJdqGIjORw0LpIZmoKsUXHL0

In an act of sheer desperation and, I hope, not stupidity, the UK Government has said the vaccines are interchangeable. In other words, if your first does is Pfizer, it is ok to have a second does that is Oxford.

This has not been tested. There is no data that shows this is effective, and there is no data to show it is a safe method.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...0LpIZmoKsUXHL0

In an act of sheer desperation and, I hope, not stupidity, the UK Government has said the vaccines are interchangeable. In other words, if your first does is Pfizer, it is ok to have a second does that is Oxford.

This has not been tested. There is no data that shows this is effective, and there is no data to show it is a safe method.

Well thank f**k we live in Wales

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...0LpIZmoKsUXHL0

In an act of sheer desperation and, I hope, not stupidity, the UK Government has said the vaccines are interchangeable. In other words, if your first does is Pfizer, it is ok to have a second does that is Oxford.

This has not been tested. There is no data that shows this is effective, and there is no data to show it is a safe method.

Don’t like the sound of that.

[Vindec]

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According to a You Tube source (Big Jet TV) the government commissioned "Titan" to transport the Astra Zeneca/Oxford vaccine from a manufacturing plant in Holland to the UK. A large plane load of the vaccine arrived at Heathrow about an hour ago so things are moving.

The source sounded reliable but as ever take this information with a pinch of salt.

[Vindec]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/h...0LpIZmoKsUXHL0

In an act of sheer desperation and, I hope, not stupidity, the UK Government has said the vaccines are interchangeable. In other words, if your first does is Pfizer, it is ok to have a second does that is Oxford.

This has not been tested. There is no data that shows this is effective, and there is no data to show it is a safe method.

I don't like the sound of this mix and match strategy. However, for most of us that arrangement would not work as the Pfizer vaccine needs to be stored at low temperatures meaning Doctor's surgeries haven't the facilities to store it. In fact there are so few places with such facilities that in my area there is only one place with the requisite refrigeration and that is about 50 miles from my home so the chances of me getting the mixed jab treatment are very small. I guess the same applies in most areas and only those having their initial treatments at major hospitals are in danger of getting the two vaccines as one course of treatment.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Don’t like the sound of that.

They are also less than complimentary about the single dose strategy with one of the negative effects being that such a long gap means some people will simply forget, or not bother, with the second dose 3 months later.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Well thank f**k we live in Wales

In Wales you will be guaranteed a matching vaccine. I think most people in England will get a matching vaccine too, but in some situations medics will be advised to mix if the first vaccine is unavailable, or the person getting vaccinated is vulnerable.

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In Wales you will be guaranteed a matching vaccine. I think most people in England will get a matching vaccine too, but in some situations medics will be advised to mix if the first vaccine is unavailable, or the person getting vaccinated is vulnerable.

Yeah that's what I meant - it says "An official in Wales said that first and second vaccine doses there would be matched"

It's pretty troubling that they're even considering non matching vaccines if there's no data on it at all, even as a last resort

[the other bob wilson]

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Yeah that's what I meant - it says "An official in Wales said that first and second vaccine doses there would be matched"

It's pretty troubling that they're even considering non matching vaccines if there's no data on it at all, even as a last resort

With the new variant and hospitals in trouble, decisions like mixing the vaccines surely only adds to the air of crisis and a country struggling to cope?

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Di9d no one ever take 2 different medicines for an illness?
Seems to me that if you take both and they work in different ways then you are doubling your chances that if one isn't so effective for you then the other one will be.

They aren't going to fight each other.

[xsnaggle]

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With the new variant and hospitals in trouble, decisions like mixing the vaccines surely only adds to the air of crisis and a country struggling to cope?

Why does it? It just offering an alternative, bearing in mind there are fewer doses the one vaccine available and if they use the available doses to give first jabs to people and there is any problem with resupply then they can use the other one as the booster. Shirley that is better for vulnerable people than having to wait too long for the second jab?
Or do you think if you've had one you shouldn't be allowed the other?
If between them they give protection that is all people should care about.

[jeepster]

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Why does it? It just offering an alternative, bearing in mind there are fewer doses the one vaccine available and if they use the available doses to give first jabs to people and there is any problem with resupply then they can use the other one as the booster. Shirley that is better for vulnerable people than having to wait too long for the second jab?
Or do you think if you've had one you shouldn't be allowed the other?
If between them they give protection that is all people should care about.

Are the vaccines interchangable ?

[xsnaggle]

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Are the vaccines interchangable ?

They clearly must be or the scientists wouldn't sit still for it. They work on different principles so far as I understand but if they both give a level of protection why not have both?
We may even find that giving one shot of both is actually beneficial.

[the other bob wilson]

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Why does it? It just offering an alternative, bearing in mind there are fewer doses the one vaccine available and if they use the available doses to give first jabs to people and there is any problem with resupply then they can use the other one as the booster. Shirley that is better for vulnerable people than having to wait too long for the second jab?
Or do you think if you've had one you shouldn't be allowed the other?
If between them they give protection that is all people should care about.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/02/england-health-officials-defend-contingency-plan-to-mix-covid-vaccines

[jeepster]

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They clearly must be or the scientists wouldn't sit still for it. They work on different principles so far as I understand but if they both give a level of protection why not have both?
We may even find that giving one shot of both is actually beneficial.

But how come they need to be stored under different conditions if they are so intercangeable.