Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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My boy is 20. He phoned up for a vaccination on Friday and had it this morning in Splott.

Well pleased!

PS. Should have been in the bay but apparently they had problems this morning but the NHS called up at short notice to rearrange. Well done for that too.

[Hilts]

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My 19 year old vaccinated Friday couple of days after going on reserve list.

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As I said, some people are losing their perspective on this.

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I don't think you've engaged with what I've said, but you might feel I didn't engage with you initially.

This article is interesting: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...-most-20528778

Given list of issues raised, it's likely that a UK approach to engaging with firebreak or stronger restrictions afterwards would have produced a longer lasting dampening down of virus numbers in Wales but, based on the population numbers in each nation which you raised, it's far more likely that Wales would have been in worse position based on no firebreak and even later second lockdown. I would highlight that not testing those moving back into care homes was a one UK approach and is going to be the most difficult thing to explain in reviews.

But as you want to focus on the virus itself, I would agree that the virus isn't sentient and that one approach would have made things easier, and at times more effective, but saying the virus doesn't care about who we are, what we are, or our age suggests a skewed understanding on a) how it spreads and b) where it has the worst impact.

[blue matt]

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https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1393609430856503297?s=20

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https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...856503297?s=20

Good news....Always seemed likely the vaccines would still work as essentially it’s the same virus albeit slightly mutated again.
One thing I wonder is it appears to be getting more transmissible every few months, can it get anymore from the original to Kent to Indian? Does it even matter as long as the vaccines and virus operate the same way.....

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https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/s...856503297?s=20

Great news

[the other bob wilson]

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Great news

Yes, that sounds very encouraging.

[lisvaneblue]

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I don't think you've engaged with what I've said, but you might feel I didn't engage with you initially.

This article is interesting: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...-most-20528778

Given list of issues raised, it's likely that a UK approach to engaging with firebreak or stronger restrictions afterwards would have produced a longer lasting dampening down of virus numbers in Wales but, based on the population numbers in each nation which you raised, it's far more likely that Wales would have been in worse position based on no firebreak and even later second lockdown. I would highlight that not testing those moving back into care homes was a one UK approach and is going to be the most difficult thing to explain in reviews.

But as you want to focus on the virus itself, I would agree that the virus isn't sentient and that one approach would have made things easier, and at times more effective, but saying the virus doesn't care about who we are, what we are, or our age suggests a skewed understanding on a) how it spreads and b) where it has the worst impact.

Thank you for the link to the Wales on line. Maybe Wales does have the worse outcomes, I don't know, but if so it's likely to be because of demographic factors more than anything else. You make some points about what may or may not have been happening in Wales because of political decisions, what Im saying is that these make marginal differences to the UK overall and in many instances are done just to be different. Tomorrow 30 people can gather in England. In Wales in the same circumstances 50 people can gather. Two governments looking at the same data and coming to very different decisions. Its just daft and confuses people.
Then last week our First minister boasting that we have the lowest rates in UK and the best vaccination rates...just politics and unnecessary and not strictly true.

Regarding the virus, I have a very good understanding of microbiology, having worked in the area for many years, and understand how Covid spreads and it's varying impact on individuals based on degree of exposure, age, individuals overall health and their environment.

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Probably the press and lawyers, one trying to sell stories the other odious lot encouraging people to start litigation for everything that goes wrong in their lives.
Of course it is never ever their own fault for anything. God forbid!!!!

Would you say, that press and lawyers, are to blame

[the other bob wilson]

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I think people are losing their perspective on this. However much people argue about politics and apportion blame the truth is that this virus has no respect for rules and regulations, and probably doesn't understand that it is not allowed to cross the Severn Bridge.

Ok Wales has no direct international flights, but that just means that Welsh people wanting to travel go to Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham etc..travelling further in UK and mixing with more people en route.

When Wales travel restrictions were in place the traffic flow across the Severn Bridge was still very heavy, same on the A55.Life goes on and people have to travel to work and on business. And at the end of their journey they meet other people and the virus spreads.

Personally I think the UK is too small for 4 home nations to play to different rules. Governments, particularly in Wales and Scotland have made this a political blame game.

I give up. I post something which I think reflects what the scientific community are urging about the Indian variant and people come back attacking the paper carrying the stories because it's "a lefty rag", so I post the same story from a source which has no reputation for being left wing and that gets ignored. Someone then brings up party politics, which I had made no mention of, and I do some research into what the rules are concerning travel to red zone countries like India in Wales compared to other countries in the UK and conclude that whether you think Wales can be blamed in the same way some are seeking to blame the UK Government for not stopping travel to India is very much down to the individual and I'm then told I'm losing perspective

Seeing as others have brought party politics into this, wouldn't it be fair to say that, in general through 2020, the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish Governments were more cautious in their decision making when it came to things like easing regulations last summer and going into lockdowns in the autumn and around Christmas? Therefore, couldn't it be argued that it was the UK/English Government that was playing by "different rules" and not the other three?

[WJ99mobile]

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Big milestone today allowing restaurants to open.

It may as well happen - people are not listening to the rules and seem more arbitrary than ever. I went into a packed gym yesterday but I wasn't allowed to fill up my water bottle.

Beginning of the end I think

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Would you say, that press and lawyers, are to blame

I could have sworn that this exchange started with me asking why must someone always be to blame? Didn't you read that bit?

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I give up. I post something which I think reflects what the scientific community are urging about the Indian variant and people come back attacking the paper carrying the stories because it's "a lefty rag",

Who said it is a left rag? I never saw anyone do that and I don't think the articles deserve dismissal on that basis.

got it now. Silly comment really it detracts from the argument. I think the G often has some very good articles but I also think that some people pick and choose the ones they like to pass on. But that's only natural I suppose

[goats]

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Big milestone today allowing restaurants to open.

It may as well happen - people are not listening to the rules and seem more arbitrary than ever. I went into a packed gym yesterday but I wasn't allowed to fill up my water bottle.

Beginning of the end I think

Take a bigger bottle maybe, the world will still turn.......