Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Heisenberg]

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[Eric Cartman]

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Totally agree. What really annoyed me was the way that the public health guys were talking about it being an open air event and that Corona doesn't particularly like the outdoors. Were they that daft that they didn't take into account the beer tents, the packed public transport and the full to the rafters pubs that most definitely are transmission dangers. They seemed to think it was equivalent to the Chelsea flower show with everyone wandering around in pairs and no one really getting close to each other 😂

They were fitting the science to the policy. At that time the policy was that sporting events carried on and so the scientists were wheeled out to explain why that was fine.

[CCFCC3PO]

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But equally eminent experts are saying different things.

Which ones do you believe?

Provide examples.

[Croesy Blue]

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Provide examples.

Yes good point, which different things have the experts said.

[surge]

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Mr Gove’s answer on ventilators very vague. He talked about the START of thousands more this weekend. So maybe hundreds. And produced or delivered/installed? I don’t underestimate the difficulties. I just think we deserve some clarity.

I was right to be suspicious. Turns out the exact number of new ventilators we can expect this weekend is 30. That’s right 30. Not 3,000 or even 300. But 30. Mr Gove’s exact words Tuesday were “the first of thousands of new ventilator devices will roll off the production line”.

It was a circumlocution — rarely has ‘of’ carried so much weight — which masked fact it was not 1000s. But 30. Of course more will come in the weeks ahead. But with only 8,000 ventilators in the NHS and now 10,000 hospitalised with the virus, we are clearly running out of time.

Andrew Neil: https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1245510705438220293

Government elected on "Get Brexit done" and "Anyone but Corbyn" while running away from scrutiny and seeking to misinform rather than provide detail just now identified by media: The Times is calling it "chaos", the Mail calling it "Shocking", the Telegraph calling it "Questions without answers".

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Government elected on "Get Brexit done" and "Anyone but Corbyn" while running away from scrutiny and seeking to misinform rather than provide detail just now identified by media: The Times is calling it "chaos", the Mail calling it "Shocking", the Telegraph calling it "Questions without answers".

At the time the media were happy enough with it.

[surge]

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At the time the media were happy enough with it.

True. Hopefully, in the future, politics becomes a bit more like Dragons Den and a bit less like Golden Balls but that's going to require the media forgetting which side they're on.

[tell it like it is]

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True. Hopefully, in the future, politics becomes a bit more like Dragons Den and a bit less like Golden Balls but that's going to require the media forgetting which side they're on.

Also relies on the media remembering what journalism is about, more accurate reporting and questioning and less Peston, Morgan.

[Croesy Blue]

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Also relies on the media remembering what journalism is about, more accurate reporting and questioning and less Peston, Morgan.

The media are scared to back anyone but the tories because they are the only party that let them do what they please. So I don't think we will see a return to real journalism on a wide scale any time soon.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Also relies on the media remembering what journalism is about, more accurate reporting and questioning and less Peston, Morgan.

You think that happens in general?

[tell it like it is]

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You think that happens in general?

DO I think there's accurate reporting? Not generally, no.

Peston is the biggest example I can give. Back in the day, yes some journos wpuld become high profile but they never forgot the story was the main selling point, not them. Everything Peston says, does, is aimed at promoting Peston the brand. Come out with stuff quickly disproven? The apology / retraction receives only a fraction of the publicity / retweets of the original claim.

When the deputy CMO utterly destroys a Peston claim, he immediately turns it to him, how he "was slightly taken aback at the ferocity of the Deputy Chief Medical Officer’s response. My view has always been that we should respect experts but not assume they are always correct. And that matters more than ever when so many lives are at stake."

It's sensationalism.

[tell it like it is]

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The media are scared to back anyone but the tories because they are the only party that let them do what they please. So I don't think we will see a return to real journalism on a wide scale any time soon.

When Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar get regular "pundit" roles I doubt it will either.

[Croesy Blue]

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When Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar get regular "pundit" roles I doubt it will either.

How it that related to what I said?

[surge]

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[surge]

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a simplistic analysis of the (imperfect and insufficient) data available: With caution, given the uncertainty in diagnosed cases, the epidemic appears to have grown at ~17% per day in the UK (similar to Italy 14 days before) the week before the lockdown, despite the calls for social distancing. This suggests that a lockdown was very important. It also suggests that a lockdown one week earlier could have led to an epidemic ~3 times smaller (likely translating into many thousands fewer deaths and the need for a shorter and less disruptive lockdown).

Cases offer a distorted picture due to limited testing.

https://twitter.com/imartincorena/st...96648040374272

The UK government didn't really take any action until March 12th/13th and from then on increasingly ramped up firstly weekly and then day-by-day to where we are now. The rough suggestion being that starting one week earlier could have massively improved our circumstances.