Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[blue matt]

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You're right. It'll be left to your children and grandchildren, and maybe great-grandchildren to try to sort it out. At the end of the day there are no free lunches. Someone has to pay.

indeed

but they will just rack up debt that future generations to them will have to pay, didnt i hear on the news that we never really paid of the debt from WW2, we reduced it, but never completely paid it off

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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indeed

but they will just rack up debt that future generations to them will have to pay, didnt i hear on the news that we never really paid of the debt from WW2, we reduced it, but never completely paid it off

Not sure about that - think we finished paying it off in early 80's. It was the WW1 debt to the USA that we didn't pay off'. Successive Govts. conveniently 'forgot' to, hence the Yanks insistence in '39-'45 that we paid full whack for every single nut and bolt..

[CCFCC3PO]

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Not sure about that - think we finished paying it off in early 80's. It was the WW1 debt to the USA that we didn't pay off'. Successive Govts. conveniently 'forgot' to, hence the Yanks insistence in '39-'45 that we paid full whack for every single nut and bolt..

I don't think the UK even paid off the WW1 debt, it still owes America billions. WW2 was paid off recently.

It introduced Income Tax to pay for the Napoleonic Wars as a short term measure. The current debt is roughly about Ł30,000 for every man, woman and child. Brexit is going to increase the burden (even the Government admit this) further. In order to remain competitive, it seems that the Government will have to keep business taxes low and the argument is that will bring in more revenue. Unemployment is going to rise, which means lower tax revenues, and an increase in the welfare commitment.

It's looking likely that Joe Public are going to have to pay for this sooner or later. I agreed with furlough, but it was obvious (and I have seen this personally) that it would hold people back from returning to work. I always felt that furlough should have been a deferred loan scheme, in much the same way that students have to repay their debt from their future wages, because it would have satisfied the short term impact of the pandemic, and it would have prodded people to return to work. What is more likely to happen is that we all get to pay more tax (including those like me who have been lucky enough to continue working, albeit on lower wages and with no Government assistance) to pay for neighbours who have taken the piss out of the system.

UK debt is at Ł2tn and I don't think it will ever go below Ł1.5tn in our lifetimes. People always say it will be "your kids who pay for this" but, as history shows, it probably won't be.

[blue matt]

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Not sure about that - think we finished paying it off in early 80's. It was the WW1 debt to the USA that we didn't pay off'. Successive Govts. conveniently 'forgot' to, hence the Yanks insistence in '39-'45 that we paid full whack for every single nut and bolt..

I stand corrected, i was 1/2 paying attention to the news at the time

[the other bob wilson]

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its just zero's though, we will never pay that amount off, so its just figures

That hardly ties in with what we were told in the latter years of the noughties and throughout the 2010s though when we were "all in it together" when it came to balancing the books following the 2008 financial crash.

[Gofer Blue]

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to be fair, drakeford has an easy win as he's ever likely to get at the moment.
all he has to do is be 10% better than those currently running England and he comes out with a lot of credit.

and those running England are making a right mess.of things.

Agree 100%. Easy to wait to see what others do first, then do the same if it turns out well, and describe it as "taking the cautious approach".

[CCFCC3PO]

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Agree 100%. Easy to wait to see what others do first, then do the same if it turns out well, and describe it as "taking the cautious approach".

That's not how he is doing it though.

[blue matt]

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Agree 100%. Easy to wait to see what others do first, then do the same if it turns out well, and describe it as "taking the cautious approach".

and if it goes wrong, blame Boris

[xsnaggle]

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and if it goes wrong, blame Boris

It is a "save your own skin" strategy, and perfect for political ends, and he has politicised this from day 1.
Never do anything first. Watch what others do and then go along behind them. And if anything goes wrong you can blame central government or the scientific advice or whatever, but never have to take any blame yourself.
It's a kind of pontius Pilate stance, but one thing it certainly isn't, and that is leadership.

[Jordi Culé]

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It is a "save your own skin" strategy, and perfect for political ends, and he has politicised this from day 1.
Never do anything first. Watch what others do and then go along behind them. And if anything goes wrong you can blame central government or the scientific advice or whatever, but never have to take any blame yourself.
It's a kind of pontius Pilate stance, but one thing it certainly isn't, and that is leadership.

Serious question, are you referring to Boris or Drakeford, perhaps both?

[xsnaggle]

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Serious question, are you referring to Boris or Drakeford, perhaps both?

Drakeford, the person I replied to was discussing him, that's why. But it may apply to others of course.

[CCFCC3PO]

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It is a "save your own skin" strategy, and perfect for political ends, and he has politicised this from day 1.
Never do anything first. Watch what others do and then go along behind them. And if anything goes wrong you can blame central government or the scientific advice or whatever, but never have to take any blame yourself.
It's a kind of pontius Pilate stance, but one thing it certainly isn't, and that is leadership.

Scotland 80 cases today
Wales 20
England 900 plus

Johnson does everything first. And it is working. Just ask the people who are unable to socialise at all this weekend in the North West.

[CCFCC3PO]

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because Drakeford ( or any other politician ) would love to be in a position that is win - win, if it all goes wrong them blame the person who you were following ( in this case boris ) if it goes right then it'll be " we waited and did it in our own time, we did well " , it truly is a ideal situation to be in for him

as i said, win - win

Drakeford isn't following Johnson. He is following the advice of his scientific advisors, something Johnson gave up on ages ago when all the heat was focused on his master, Dominic Cummings.

[Jordi Culé]

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Drakeford isn't following Johnson. He is following the advice of his scientific advisors, something Johnson gave up on ages ago when all the heat was focused on his master, Dominic Cummings.

Did he ever listen to scientific or medical advice?

Anyone who decided to shake hands with Covid19 patients and then funnily enough contracts the disease is let's face it fuucking twp.

Anyone who believes anything the lying cuunt says twper.

[CCFCC3PO]

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Did he ever listen to scientific or medical advice?

Anyone who decided to shake hands with Covid19 patients and then funnily enough contracts the disease is let's face it fuucking twp.

Anyone who believes anything the lying cuunt says twper.

I am giving the fat twat (and I make no apologies with tens of thousands dead, and thousands of care home/NHS staff put at risk) the benefit of the doubt. I think he was forced to concede to the science in the same way that Trump was. Anyway, whatever semblance of a structured plan into and out of a lockdown quickly evaporated in the sun of Barnard's Castle.