Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[CCFCC3PO]

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You’ll blame whoever suits your agenda as ever.

Says the one blaming Asians. Was there a mass irony bypass operation of forum members this past week?

[CCFCC3PO]

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Agree with most of this - but in fairness, Nicola Sturgeon's chief medical adviser did quit for flouting rules!

I have to say, as well, that the actions in Wales and Scotland are not guaranteed to stop a resurgence of covid in the respective countries (I have a feeling some may imply I said that at a later stage). It could be that a resurgence in South Wales has merely been delayed a few weeks rather than been stopped completely.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Says the man who tells us what is happening with not an "in my opinion" in sight. How can you be so certain about something none of us have ever seen in our lives before?

Shall we go back through all your posts to find how many times you've commented "in my opinion". It doesn't really matter. I've got no qualms about being called a libertarian. We live in a society that becomes more secular each day. For some the scientists have taken the place of priests in medieval times - what they say must be true, they're scientists. Disagree and you'll be called out..

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Shall we go back through all your posts to find how many times you've commented "in my opinion". It doesn't really matter. I've got no qualms about being called a libertarian. We live in a society that becomes more secular each day. For some the scientists have taken the place of priests in medieval times - what they say must be true, they're scientists. Disagree and you'll be called out..

There is an enormous difference between priests and scientists. Purveyors of religion have ready-made set-in-stone explanations for phenomena (e.g. the creation of the Universe) whilst science (which means knowledge) is acknowledged to be imperfect at any stage in time and that judgements and evaluations are likely to improve when more knowledge and data are accumulated. Imperfect knowledge can lead to a degree of subjectivity and interpretation but as time passes the less sustainable theories tend to fall by the wayside. Religion v science = ancient myths (and stories that include deities of various descriptions and of which there is no evidence) v increasing knowledge (and an acknowledgement that we don't know everything but that we are learning more as the evidence stacks up).
Chalk and cheese.

[lardy]

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There is an enormous difference between priests and scientists. Purveyors of religion have ready-made set-in-stone explanations for phenomena (e.g. the creation of the Universe) whilst science (which means knowledge) is acknowledged to be imperfect at any stage in time and that judgements and evaluations are likely to improve when more knowledge and data are accumulated. Imperfect knowledge can lead to a degree of subjectivity and interpretation but as time passes the less sustainable theories tend to fall by the wayside. Religion v science = ancient myths (and stories that include deities of various descriptions and of which there is no evidence) v increasing knowledge (and an acknowledgement that we don't know everything but that we are learning more as the evidence stacks up).
Chalk and cheese.

It is amusing to see when people think that scientists "changing their minds" is a stick to beat them with, when challenge and change is the entire point of science.

It's all about disproving ideas. You don't disagree, as monkfish puts it, you disprove.

[CCFCC3PO]

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It is amusing to see when people think that scientists "changing their minds" is a stick to beat them with, when challenge and change is the entire point of science.

It's all about disproving ideas. You don't disagree, as monkfish puts it, you disprove.

It was the same thing with the modelling. "Ha, what do they know, they said 250,000 people would die".

It's amusing to see scientists and priests being labelled as one and the same. Once I saw that comparison being made I realised The Quiet Monkfish was a comedy genius and is on one huge leg pull for charity.

[life on mars]

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That doesn't half read like more "Pretending you know EXACTLY what is going on, all the time" - the Libertarian just let everyone get on with it view has taken a hell of a beating in the six months or so.

i have not got a clue its a comment /view which i'm allowed to make , unless your judge and jury now

[delmbox]

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You read the bit where I said I’m not sure yeah? I dint really watch the news....thought you didn’t. Now your trying to make out I’m a far right racist....lovely. I’d love to meet you one day I really would

To be fair, you might not be one but the comment you made was right out of a far right handbook. Saying you don't follow the news but have managed to catch some stuff about brown people not following the rules whilst simultaneously missing the hugely reported, front page of every newspaper, lead story on news bulletins carnage on the beaches perpetrated by mostly white people is a bit odd

[the other bob wilson]

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i have not got a clue its a comment /view which i'm allowed to make , unless your judge and jury now

What are you rabbiting on about now? I just pointed out that people who state opinions as if they are facts have had a habit being made to look foolish when it comes to the virus.

Just for information, there were nine hundred and twenty eight new cases yesterday according to the Government figures, that's the highest number since June 26th and the number of tests was 216,000 which is, I believe around average, or slightly below it, these days - although the rise is not a dramatic one at the moment, there is clearly an increase in new cases taking place over the last fortnight or so - a Government that has been so eager to get things back to "normal" since about May would not be acting like it is of there wasn't something happening that was concerning them.

[the other bob wilson]

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To be fair, you might not be one but the comment you made was right out of a far right handbook. Saying you don't follow the news but have managed to catch some stuff about brown people not following the rules whilst simultaneously missing the hugely reported, front page of every newspaper, lead story on news bulletins carnage on the beaches perpetrated by mostly white people is a bit odd

I just assumed he was on a wind up and looking for bites.

[xsnaggle]

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Among all the young people I witnessed hugging, kissing and generally slopping over each other looking well intoxicated in my local pub beer garden last night I didn't see anyone who was anything but white.

But you mustn't confuse being muslim with not being white. The 2 things are not mutual

[Dorcus]

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But you mustn't confuse being muslim with not being white. The 2 things are not mutual

In theory you're right but statistically you're certainly not. However, apart from their religious adherence I excluded people of colour in the group I saw. And of course I'm sure you know that not all people of colour are Muslims.

[xsnaggle]

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In theory you're right but statistically you're certainly not. However, apart from their religious adherence I excluded people of colour in the group I saw. And of course I'm sure you know that not all people of colour are Muslims.

I thought that is what I said.
Of course Muslim also go to the beach, even in hot countries, and so do people of afro/carribean ancestry. and they get suntans.
I fail to see what a persons ethnicity or colour or religion has got to do with any of the 'spike' argument. It seems like defection to me.

But if not all Muslims are non-white then I am right. The statistics are a smoke screen. They either are all or they're not all and they definitely are not!!!!

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I thought that is what I said.
Of course Muslim also go to the beach, even in hot countries, and so do people of afro/carribean ancestry. and they get suntans.
I fail to see what a persons ethnicity or colour or religion has got to do with any of the 'spike' argument. It seems like defection to me.

But if not all Muslims are non-white then I am right. The statistics are a smoke screen. They either are all or they're not all and they definitely are not!!!!

Goats said most of the spikes are down to Muslims. A couple of posters disagreed saying other reasons may be at play. You seem to agree with them. What's the argument about?

[xsnaggle]

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Goats said most of the spikes are down to Muslims. A couple of posters disagreed saying other reasons may be at play. You seem to agree with them. What's the argument about?

I'm not interested, I only saw comments about religion and colour mixed together. I did read the bit about Leicester, but I don't know of the people there were Indian or Pakistani, and I really don't think in the great scheme of things their colour or religion matters..
If people are getting ill they deserve to be treated, if there is a greater risk in an area they need to be protected.
The next thing that people will be saying is "It's your fault you caught it because you went to the pub/mosque/ church/ work or whatever.
The problem is everyone's and finger pointing doesn't help anything or anyone.