Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

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Certainly happens in North Wales , Drakeford has been asked to publish his reason by data , before stopping people earning money to work and feed their families and further damage the already weakened Welsh Economy ,these are very worrying times.

Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the UK population.

[life on mars]

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Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the population.

Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

Yep its now become party politics sadly .

Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.

[life on mars]

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Great to see the Government ramping up Vitamin D consumption , every little helps , helped my immune issues over the last few years after some great doctors advise .

[goats]

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Yes they are worrying times and whilst Drakeford claims he is doing the best for Wales the data shows otherwise. Cardiff will have been in lockdown for 3 weeks come Sunday and the numbers with Covid keep rising. Caerphilly around 5 weeks and cases are still high. North Wales can't seem to control it, plus RCT, and I could go on.
England has hot spots in the North and London but much of the country is relatively good. In Wales most of the country has increasing cases and everyday its getting worse more or less across the board. Over 2/3 of us are in lockdown.

His data for banning the English concluded that visitors from UK and other parts of the world MAY have impacted on things in July/ August, but it's not conclusive. To take the action he is on that data shows scant regard for his people and their livelihoods.

With Drakeford in Wales and Burham in Manchester we are seeing party politics being played at the highest level with the lives of the UK population.

I think the arrival of 35000 students in Cardiff might be a lot to do with it. That’s a lot of young people from all over the world.
I’ll go for a two weeker but no more. What’s the point as it will just creep back up again when people start to move about.
Like mentioned above the average age of death is 82, surely those that need protecting can do just that even though amazingly, they haven’t been told to shield again yet.

[xsnaggle]

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I think the arrival of 35000 students in Cardiff might be a lot to do with it. That’s a lot of young people from all over the world.
I’ll go for a two weeker but no more. What’s the point as it will just creep back up again when people start to move about.
Like mentioned above the average age of death is 82, surely those that need protecting can do just that even though amazingly, they haven’t been told to shield again yet.

Well they can't stay at home and protect their lives if no one has told them to. You can't expect that. They're adults, they have to be told what to do.

[Rjk]

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https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/s...156577792?s=19

to add insult to injury...

https://twitter.com/marcvjones/status/1316769048378703874?s=19

[jon1959]

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Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

Yep its now become party politics sadly .

Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/manchester-united-ministers-tier-3-talks-enrage-both-labour-and-tories

Looks like Labour and Tory council leaders and MPs in Greater Manchester are singing from the same song sheet.

[Jordi Culé]

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Sadly it is becoming that way all very well coordinated as well started with Sir Kier's circuit breaker , what I don't understand Sir Kier wants to shut down the whole country, Burnham doesn't want tier 3 as it will hurt Manchester, Wales could lock down now, in as much Boris is accused of confusion so does the opposition ,just depends on their vote base .

Yep its now become party politics sadly .

Lives are at stake as they are every winter , average Covid deaths are at 82 age , non Covid 81, which is extremely sad , it does seem it highjacked the elderly and very vulnerable, perhaps we double down on protecting them and allow young people to work and move about in a responsible way , sadly responsible behaviour is badly lacking in our society.

Wasn’t the initial responses to Covid19 influenced by ‘party politics’, ongoing political policies e.g. Brexit and BoJo’s own libertarian view on things?

Sadly, the lack of any common sense and responsibility shown by the UK government has led where we are today.

[Jordi Culé]

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Dull? lmao but not blinkered.

You’re not blinkered?

So the countless discussions you have on here in relation to any topic are supported with hard evidence and not just the ramblings of your over excited mind.

I apologise, profusely. I’ve marked you down all wrong.

[lardy]

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Wasn’t the initial responses to Covid19 influenced by ‘party politics’, ongoing political policies e.g. Brexit and BoJo’s own libertarian view on things?

Sadly, the lack of any common sense and responsibility shown by the UK government has led where we are today.

One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.

[lisvaneblue]

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One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.

Professor Jeremy Farrar of the Welcome Trust, and a SAGE member has just said 'playing party politics' and a North/South divide is very damaging to public health.

It sickens me that we have major UK cities with populations bigger than Wales with very very high numbers of Covid patients, struggling hospitals and a escalating death rate, whilst our leaders are bickering, businesses failing, and many of our young adults refusing to take responsibility for their behaviour.

God knows what sort of a winter lies ahead!

[the other bob wilson]

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One of the worst phrases of recent years is 'playing party politics'. It's the easiest way to try to shut down someone that you don't agree with. Just say they're playing politics. It's meaningless enough that you don't have to justify it.

I listened to an interview with Matt Hancock on Radio 5 Live last night, where he accused Andy Burnham of playing party politics five times while continuously saying that we should all join together in the national interest the same amount of times. Presumably, his take on the "national interest" is that everyone should fall into line with the UK Government's view on things, so isn't he just playing party politics as well?

Hancock's repetitive interview was an example of the woeful standard of political debating on both sides of this argument - continuously repeating yourself does not prove you're right.

[lisvaneblue]

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I listened to an interview with Matt Hancock on Radio 5 Live last night, where he accused Andy Burnham of playing party politics five times while continuously saying that we should all join together in the national interest the same amount of times. Presumably, his take on the "national interest" is that everyone should fall into line with the UK Government's view on things, so isn't he just playing party politics as well?

Hancock's repetitive interview was an example of the woeful standard of political debating on both sides of this argument - continuously repeating yourself does not prove you're right.

At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy.

[Hilts]

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The tories are now throwing party politics about is just laughable. A desperate government and a few desperate supporters.

Beats Corbyn and Abbott wouldnt have done better though blah blah blah.

[the other bob wilson]

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At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy.

Is it anarchy when the people on the other side of the argument are also democratically elected figures?

Anyway, my point was more to do with the lamentable standard of what passes for political debate these days.