Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Questions being asked around the UK and Ireland (or Ireland from UK perspective) being what can be afforded, what will be complied with sufficiently to have desired impact, what comes next.

Good point made on BBC Wales at lunchtime being that the slower come down from full lockdown was our Plan A for not having to reintroduce such strict measures again this year. Plan B hopefully will work but maybe it's just about giving things time to resolve themselves in England where decision will be made about what can UK financially afford.

Tier 5 in Ireland: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...medium=twitter

How decision was made: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...down-1.4385344

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Italy: https://uk.reuters.com/article/healt...-idUKL8N2H90HJ

As daily cases in Italy hit a new record 11,705 on Sunday, Conte said the situation had become critical but his government has been determined to avoid a repeat of the lockdown imposed at the start of the crisis in March.

COVID-related deaths on Sunday increased to 69, up from 47 the day before, the ministry said - far fewer than at the height of the pandemic in Italy in March and April, when daily fatalities peaked at more than 900.

France: https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL8N2H763D

The number of people in hospital with COVID-19 rose by 437 to 10,042, exceeding 10,000 for the first time since mid-June, and the number of people in intensive care rose by 50 to 1,800, a level last seen in mid-May.

It also reported that 122 people had died from coronavirus infection in hospitals in the past 24 hours, compared with 88 on Thursday. Including deaths in retirement homes - which are often reported in multi-day batches - the death toll increased by 178 on Friday

[blue matt]

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I mentioned the Pfizer jab a few days ago as a bit of good news



The Pfizer jab is being stockpiled en masse at the drug giant’s plant in Puurs, Belgium and could be put in for approval in the US in November,

https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/18/hopes-of-vaccine-by-christmas-as-doses-seen-rolling-off-production-line-13440956/

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I mentioned the Pfizer jab a few days ago as a bit of good news



The Pfizer jab is being stockpiled en masse at the drug giant’s plant in Puurs, Belgium and could be put in for approval in the US in November,


https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/18/hopes...line-13440956/

Between that and the oxford one at least there is hope for some normality, with the priority being those who need the usual hospital care which seems to have been forgotten during Covid.

[lisvaneblue]

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I mentioned the Pfizer jab a few days ago as a bit of good news



The Pfizer jab is being stockpiled en masse at the drug giant’s plant in Puurs, Belgium and could be put in for approval in the US in November,


https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/18/hopes...line-13440956/

I used to work for Pharmacia, a company which merged with Pfizer so know the Puurs facility well.
Pfizer believe they will have a good handle on the vaccine's effectiveness by the end of October and will seek a rapid review with the US FDA to get the drug licensed for use there.

For UK the licensing authority is currently within the EU,( they approve medicines for all EU members) although likely to be the UK MHRA after Brexit. Hope this possible change won't delay the approval of the vaccine for use in UK

[lisvaneblue]

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apparently you will not be able to tell the affect a 2 week lockdown has had until about a week after it ends, so a three week lockdown would make more sense.
It links in with Mark Drakeford's remark that the 2 weeks will be used for them to decide how much further they might have to go to control this.
I wouldn't hold my breath on this stopping on 9 August!!!

I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

It's a politician's moment in the sun. Standing at a rostrum knowing they have a large captive audience, delivering a solemn warning of dire things ahead, stretching their words out so there's a gap of seconds between each one. They're lovin' it. Drakeford will be forgotten and consigned to history when it's all over - he's positively thriving at the moment..

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54607893

Wales' lockdown job support gap 'a barrier to firms'

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

Only 4 days ago you said

"At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy."

What changed your mind?

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I think Drakeford and his team are completely over the top with this latest lockdown. To cover all of Wales including those areas with relatively low incidence is going to cause unnecessary hardship. He is very fond of knee jerk reaction which is evident by the 113 pieces of Covid related emergency legislation he has put in place in the last six months.
And we have to wait until Friday to hear what he intends to introduce once this total lockdown ends on 9 November.

There’s a lot of businesses in Pembrokeshire and west wales that were relying on that trade continuing until November. Who knows what will happen to them now. Strange how it’s been busier than ever down that way for the last 3 months yet no Covid outbreaks? People staying at a place I let just cancelled, coming from Buckinghamshire where there is also very low Covid. I can live with it but my cleaner lost £80 x at least 10 places, so did the laundry, mine had booked into 3 pubs to eat so they lose out too. I’m sure the list is endless.
There are tests that give you a result in 20 mins ffs. Why do only private companies have them, yet we blow billions? And they wonder why no one is listening anymore......

[lisvaneblue]

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Only 4 days ago you said

"At the end of the day our democratically elected government is responsible. By all means listen to everyone views, the government then needs to decide what action should be taken. Otherwise we are moving towards anarchy."

What changed your mind?

As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

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As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

He doesn’t care about the economy though, he probably thinks the repercussions of it will just fall at the door of the tories, causing them more problems, which he will love.

[LeningradCowboy]

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As you know that comment related to the Manchester stand off. However, it's true for the Senedd as well.

Thing about Drakeford is that he seems to listen only to the views of his technical advisors. He said as much in his speech. He doesn't appear to listen to everyone's views. He also exaggerates.......are all the intensive care beds in Wales full....no they are not, so why does he say it?
He doesn't appear to be concerned at all about the impact on the Welsh economy. I don't think he understands business. In the short term the Treasury pick up most of the bill for the economic lockdown in Wales, and I don't think he's considered the longer term impact on business.
There was an interesting comment from a nurse on the radio this morning. She said that if all the money spent on lockdowns to protect the NHS had been spent instead on the NHS, things might be very different.

He seems to think that he can turn on and off sectors of the economy like a tap.

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/its-kick-teeth-hospitality-industry-19128408

'It's a kick in the teeth' Wales' pubs, cafes and restaurants react to the fire-break lockdown