Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Hilts]

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As I stated the lead Doctor in Public Health England stated this morning that the government only received definitive information on the link between the virus mutation and the rapid increase in numbers on Friday; they acted Saturday. That is what I meant by quick.

Starmer was calling for stricter measures on Wednesday at PMQs before the link between the mutated virus and the increasing numbers were known. Obviously we differ on whether Starmer would have cancelled Xmas earlier.

Do you believe that Johnson and co had no idea that this new virus wasnt spreading quicker before Friday and he had no idea before his performance on Wednesday.

And if he didnt know he should have had some idea.

I cant say hes lost control. Hes never had control.

[tomcat]

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My understanding, from talking to someone who lives in Miami, is that in certain states of the USA you are unable to carry a firearm if part of your face is obscured. This has resulted in people preferring to exercise their right to carry arms over their social responsibility 😱

[Whisperer]

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[QUOTE=Vindec;5147900]As I stated the lead Doctor in Public Health England stated this morning that the government only received definitive information on the link between the virus mutation and the rapid increase in numbers on Friday; they acted Saturday.

And if you believe that you’ll believe anything.

[the other bob wilson]

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Do you believe that Johnson and co had no idea that this new virus wasnt spreading quicker before Friday and he had no idea before his performance on Wednesday.

And if he didnt know he should have had some idea.

I cant say hes lost control. Hes never had control.

Incredible that some people's first post on what the UK Government did yesterday is to be critical of the leader of the opposition! When Drakeford announced the increased measures last night, the Tories leader in Wales didn't even enter my head.

[Vindec]

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Do you believe that Johnson and co had no idea that this new virus wasnt spreading quicker before Friday and he had no idea before his performance on Wednesday.

And if he didnt know he should have had some idea.

I cant say hes lost control. Hes never had control.

You may think the government had not acted quickly but I do. Governments have to act on the basis of definitive evidence and not guesswork.

The key to the rapid increase in numbers was the mutated virus. You only have to look at the increasing daily numbers to realise that. Those testing positive for the virus are up 39% in a week in England. If the virus continued to spread, as it had in the last week or so, the implications would be horrendous.

Why didn't the wonderful Keir Starmer tell Drakeford to cancel Xmas in Wales if you believe he would have cancelled Xmas earlier? We all know your view that Keir Starmer can do know wrong but I believe all politicians, whatever their Party, are on a hiding to nothing as this thing is so fast moving.

[xsnaggle]

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Well if this is a full lockdown God help us.
I've been out and about today and there is an awful lot of traffic in the City and outside it for a country that is supposed to be doing nothing but essential things.
And last night on the M$ I lost count of the number of cars I passed driving into Wales with top boxes fitted, presumable full of all the pressies that they were bringing to be with family for christmas. I got the impression they were rushing to get into the country before the Midnight deadline.
I get the impression tat people are becoming weary of it and perhaps taking a more fatalist attitude to things

[Elwood Blues]

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Incredible that some people's first post on what the UK Government did yesterday is to be critical of the leader of the opposition! When Drakeford announced the increased measures last night, the Tories leader in Wales didn't even enter my head.

Why is that incredible when the leader of the main opposition party in the UK happens to be the boss of the political leader of the devolved administration we live in??????????????

[Elwood Blues]

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The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) met on Friday 19th December between 11.00 am and 1300 pm. Attendee such as Professors Neil Ferguson John Edmunds and Calum Semple who have all been on the news at one time or other.

The Government has now released the minutes

Main points

71% increase in transmission rate

R rate would go up by between ).39 and 0.93


In addition Calum Semple was interviewed on the BBC and said that the doubling time was 7 days with this new variant as against 12- 14 days with the other variant(s) they are familiar with.

(Hope this post meet with your approval Bob!!)

[surge]

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Why is that incredible when the leader of the main opposition party in the UK happens to be the boss of the political leader of the devolved administration we live in??????????????

This is a health matter and is devolved to the different nations. There are clearly going to be ties between the nations, and there isn't full separation between political parties who stand in multiple nations, but are you saying Westminster should just override Wales/Scotland/NI? Are you really that person??

[the other bob wilson]

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Why is that incredible when the leader of the main opposition party in the UK happens to be the boss of the political leader of the devolved administration we live in??????????????

I said why in my first post - it's like me having a go at RT Davies or whatever his name is for the decision Drakeford took, absurd.

[the other bob wilson]

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The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) met on Friday 19th December between 11.00 am and 1300 pm. Attendee such as Professors Neil Ferguson John Edmunds and Calum Semple who have all been on the news at one time or other.

The Government has now released the minutes

Main points

71% increase in transmission rate

R rate would go up by between ).39 and 0.93


In addition Calum Semple was interviewed on the BBC and said that the doubling time was 7 days with this new variant as against 12- 14 days with the other variant(s) they are familiar with.

(Hope this post meet with your approval Bob!!)

So, what you're saying then is that your party political point scoring messages regarding Keri Starmer were a bit pointless and unjustified - Johnson and Drakeford were right to take the actions they did. I don't normally need any second invitation to criticise Johnson, but I haven't and won't over this - it's ridiculous to compliment Johnson on the one hand and then look to slag Labour off on the other when both parties have made very similar decisions.

[surge]

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I've just read a thread on twitter where it's being suggested Londoner's can travel just as long as they've booked a house viewing in another part of the country and can even cancel the viewing on arrival. Earlier in the week the Tory MP tried to argue that their Christmas party was in fact a business lunch.

Just how much hard work is going into getting around the guidance/rules?! Is that why the UK is currently ranked towards worst performing countries?

[the other bob wilson]

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It's not a very nice thing to say, but I've got to the stage where I'm a little bit blasé about daily death figures, but I couldn't help noticing that there were 69 deaths reported in Wales in today's figures - apparently, that's the most in a day since figures started being recorded in March and this on a weekend when the numbers are supposed to be lower.
Condolences to all friends and family of the 69 deceased.

[MacAdder]

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I've just read a thread on twitter where it's being suggested Londoner's can travel just as long as they've booked a house viewing in another part of the country and can even cancel the viewing on arrival. Earlier in the week the Tory MP tried to argue that their Christmas party was in fact a business lunch.

Just how much hard work is going into getting around the guidance/rules?! Is that why the UK is currently ranked towards worst performing countries?

Must be true then

Your question isn't beyond the realms of possibility and stories such as this certainly aren't helping.
There is too much distrust of the authorities in this country from many.
An attitude of anything goes just don't get caught and if you do get caught, you'd better be a "somebody".

[Elwood Blues]

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I said why in my first post - it's like me having a go at RT Davies or whatever his name is for the decision Drakeford took, absurd.

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Paul Davies took over from Andrew RT Davies back in September 2018.

I will be replying to the post you wrote in response to my ( factual and non political!) post about Friday's Nervtag meeting on this topic so I won't duplicate it here.