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[TWGL1]

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Permitted data, wtf is that?

Point scoring seems to be your phrase for the New Year when you post your thoughts and others take issue with them.

You are asking us to look at stuff on twitter when only a few weeks ago you were lauding ONS data. Now it seems it only presents "permitted" data when it contradicts the stuff you are peddling.

Today you posted a BBC article that showed two pieces of evidence. That most of the excess deaths are in the over 50s and higher proportions of unvaccinated people are dying than vaccinated. Obviously those things don't suit a narrative as with the ONS data so it's off to another lily-pad.

No agenda from me, just stating that lockdown policies will cause more harm than good.

[TWGL1]

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Permitted data, wtf is that?

Point scoring seems to be your phrase for the New Year when you post your thoughts and others take issue with them.

You are asking us to look at stuff on twitter when only a few weeks ago you were lauding ONS data. Now it seems it only presents "permitted" data when it contradicts the stuff you are peddling.

Today you posted a BBC article that showed two pieces of evidence. That most of the excess deaths are in the over 50s and higher proportions of unvaccinated people are dying than vaccinated. Obviously those things don't suit a narrative as with the ONS data so it's off to another lily-pad.

“WTF permitted data “ yes permitted data.

How about big pharmaceutical not allowing a full data drop for 75 years

[TWGL1]

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I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.

From what people etc are saying, the large numbers of non-Covid and non-NHS crisis deaths really started to take off since May 2022. How convenient the BBC only uses data up until June 2022.

It would be interesting to know what they class as "unvaccinated". It could include people who have one or two...just like they did with so called "unvaccinated" deaths.

We SHOULD be in negative excess death territory after losing so many elderly / frail people .

Anyone trying to explain these deaths on NHS pressures has obviously not taken into account the same level of excess deaths is apparently happening across the western world for the same period and many countries with health services that aren’t struggling to the degree NHS is.

[the other bob wilson]

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From what people etc are saying, the large numbers of non-Covid and non-NHS crisis deaths really started to take off since May 2022. How convenient the BBC only uses data up until June 2022.

It would be interesting to know what they class as "unvaccinated". It could include people who have one or two...just like they did with so called "unvaccinated" deaths.

We SHOULD be in negative excess death territory after losing so many elderly / frail people .

Anyone trying to explain these deaths on NHS pressures has obviously not taken into account the same level of excess deaths is apparently happening across the western world for the same period and many countries with health services that aren’t struggling to the degree NHS is.

You’re the one who posted the BBC link and now you’re rubbishing it :facepalm:

Maybe you realise that - hence your reluctance to back up your other claims in this message with evidence.

There is an argument to be had about the degree to which it’s responsible, but anyone who thinks that a seriously under resourced and employed NHS is having no effect on the UK’s excess deaths figure is deluding themselves.

[TWGL1]

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You’re the one who posted the BBC link and now you’re rubbishing it :facepalm:

Maybe you realise that - hence your reluctance to back up your other claims in this message with evidence.

There is an argument to be had about the degree to which it’s responsible, but anyone who thinks that a seriously under resourced and employed NHS is having no effect on the UK’s excess deaths figure is deluding themselves.

Just to clarify your point, it’s not solely down to the NHS ,which is what you suggested, but the figures are similar in Europe with more effective health services. I’ve already stated my opinion in respect of the article posted.

Understaffed

Biggest employer in Europe apparently

[the other bob wilson]

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Just to clarify your point, it’s not solely down to the NHS ,which is what you suggested, but the figures are similar in Europe with more effective health services. I’ve already stated my opinion in respect of the article posted.

Understaffed

Biggest employer in Europe apparently

So you're saying that the NHS, with it's tens of thousands of vacancies, is not understaffed?

[TWGL1]

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So you're saying that the NHS, with it's tens of thousands of vacancies, is not understaffed?

Every big organisation has vacancies, from cleaners to M.D’s and CEO’s

I think it’s adequately staffed if it’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the largest in the world and you could argue per population it’s the worlds biggest employer.

Reforms are needed not even more staff.

[TWGL1]

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Every big organisation has vacancies, from cleaners to M.D’s and CEO’s

I think it’s adequately staffed if it’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the largest in the world and you could argue per population it’s the worlds biggest employer.

Reforms are needed not even more staff.

I forgot to add my Sister in Law , front line , took over four months to start in her job, ( from successful at interview to starting,) and had to resign her previous job before receiving her contract

[the other bob wilson]

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Every big organisation has vacancies, from cleaners to M.D’s and CEO’s

I think it’s adequately staffed if it’s the biggest employer in Europe and one of the largest in the world and you could argue per population it’s the worlds biggest employer.

Reforms are needed not even more staff.

What’s 133,000 between friends eh?

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/staff-shortages-in-the-nhs-and-social-care-sectors/

[TWGL1]

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9%

Way below the average

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/jobsandvacanciesintheuk/september2022

[the other bob wilson]

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9%

Way below the average

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentand.../september2022

You’re getting desperate now

[Dorcus]

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You’re getting desperate now

And obsessed.

[TWGL1]

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And obsessed.

Not obsessed at all, just happy to prove to people who installed themselves as self appointed government deputies who curtain twitched and called people anti this and anti that out in respect of policies that were clearly flawed.

I wonder how many clapped the NHS every Thursday like sheep on government instruction, when clearly that was a psychop tool for compliance , otherwise we wouldn’t be having strikes and walkout’s either.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Not obsessed at all, just happy to prove to people who installed themselves as self appointed government deputies who curtain twitched and called people anti this and anti that out in respect of policies that were clearly flawed.

I wonder how many clapped the NHS every Thursday like sheep on government instruction, when clearly that was a psychop tool for compliance , otherwise we wouldn’t be having strikes and walkout’s either.

And there we have it. Someone with no professed agenda who was blessed with a gift of enlightenment and insight, honour bound to show sheeple and curtain twitchers the true path.

Though, just like other similarly gifted who have graced this group, like Ronnie Bird and Wales-Ampadu, or whatever that user id is now calling itself, they all reach exactly the same conclusions using exactly the same fringe sources to confirm their special talents!

[TWGL1]

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And there we have it. Someone with no professed agenda who was blessed with a gift of enlightenment and insight, honour bound to show sheeple and curtain twitchers the true path.

Though, just like other similarly gifted who have graced this group, like Ronnie Bird and Wales-Ampadu, or whatever that user id is now calling itself, they all reach exactly the same conclusions using exactly the same fringe sources to confirm their special talents!

There is a definite difference between agenda and opinion .

I like how you try and label my opinion to other posters on this board , it’s getting quite comical.

Looks like you may have been in the control group and are one of these self appointed government deputies……I guess it give you a perception of self importance :popcorn: