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Re: Kier yesterday
Oh Jesus Christ James, knife fight = I was trying to demonstrate that brexit isn't a zero sum game where someone wins and someone loses, the EU lose and we lose. It is obvious from your previous posts that you don't understand this concept.
From the ft article in the other thread:
"Britain is a different story. While the top earners rank fifth, the average household ranks 12th and the poorest 5 per cent rank 15th. Far from simply losing touch with their western European peers, last year the lowest-earning bracket of British households had a standard of living that was 20 per cent weaker than their counterparts in Slovenia"
"It’s a similar story in the middle. In 2007, the average UK household was 8 per cent worse off than its peers in north-western Europe, but the deficit has since ballooned to a record 20 per cent. On present trends, the average Slovenian household will be better off than its British counterpart by 2024, and the average Polish family will move ahead before the end of the decade. A country in desperate need of migrant labour may soon have to ask new arrivals to take a pay cut."
Please prove my opinion of you wrong and actually read and digest it for once. We are a high wage economy for high earners and a low wage economy for median/low earners.
I'm probably stuck here but my advice to my nieces and nephews is to start learning a few other languages.
Originally posted by JamesWales
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You are rather making my point for me here. You are using terms such as 'knife fight', 'lying on the ground bleeding' etc. All very dramatic stuff that no doubt alarms people.
But if that's true would we not expect to see our GDP far lower? Our unemployment higher? Our wages lower? Inflation higher? Stock market lower etc etc etc?
That just isn't happening. My point is that its a mixed picture and that's my point because that's what the facts tell us.
Do you have any real evidence that we are a 'low wage economy?' minimum wages have risen sigificantly. Nothing I have seen suggests French or Germans etc are paid notably more.
You mention trade. Of course, trade with the EU will never be as hassle free as before but (in theory at least) trade with the rest of the world should become far easier. Irrespective, UK exports to the EU are at a record high. Again, this isn't the narrative you and others push out.
Perfect? Far from it. But lying on the floor, bleeding? Nope. Not true.
No dispute on what you say about income inequality btw. We are probably wholly in agreement on the need to address that.
But if that's true would we not expect to see our GDP far lower? Our unemployment higher? Our wages lower? Inflation higher? Stock market lower etc etc etc?
That just isn't happening. My point is that its a mixed picture and that's my point because that's what the facts tell us.
Do you have any real evidence that we are a 'low wage economy?' minimum wages have risen sigificantly. Nothing I have seen suggests French or Germans etc are paid notably more.
You mention trade. Of course, trade with the EU will never be as hassle free as before but (in theory at least) trade with the rest of the world should become far easier. Irrespective, UK exports to the EU are at a record high. Again, this isn't the narrative you and others push out.
Perfect? Far from it. But lying on the floor, bleeding? Nope. Not true.
No dispute on what you say about income inequality btw. We are probably wholly in agreement on the need to address that.
From the ft article in the other thread:
"Britain is a different story. While the top earners rank fifth, the average household ranks 12th and the poorest 5 per cent rank 15th. Far from simply losing touch with their western European peers, last year the lowest-earning bracket of British households had a standard of living that was 20 per cent weaker than their counterparts in Slovenia"
"It’s a similar story in the middle. In 2007, the average UK household was 8 per cent worse off than its peers in north-western Europe, but the deficit has since ballooned to a record 20 per cent. On present trends, the average Slovenian household will be better off than its British counterpart by 2024, and the average Polish family will move ahead before the end of the decade. A country in desperate need of migrant labour may soon have to ask new arrivals to take a pay cut."
Please prove my opinion of you wrong and actually read and digest it for once. We are a high wage economy for high earners and a low wage economy for median/low earners.
I'm probably stuck here but my advice to my nieces and nephews is to start learning a few other languages.
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