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    Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    McGrath is a previous generation. Broad didn’t play a test match until McGrath had retired. Broad is slightly worse than some mentioned, to say he is well below them is laughable. The bloke has SIX HUNDRED test wickets.

    Saw one comment, he’s only been good since 2013. That’s ten bloody years
    I reckon McGraths just about young enough to be considered modern day, although take your point that he's a different generation. I'd have to say there's a bit more than a slight difference between the likes of broad and the players in that list.

    In terms of total wickets, it's a hell of an achievement but I'd put a lot down to his durability as well as his talent. It's very commendable how he's kept himself in shape and says a lot about his natural strength and a good fitness regime. But by the same token, I don't see dale steyn as a lesser bowler because the injuries kept him to 400 odd.

    I think Broad summed himself up better than I ever could:
    “I think ultimately how I’ve played my sport is, I’d never want anyone in the crowd or watching at home to think he’s not giving absolute everything, he’s not putting his heart and soul into it,” Broad said. “I know I’m not the most skilful player, I know that I need every inch of my competitive spirit and my drive and my effort to get anything out of my ability. And I would say every day I’ve put on a Nottinghamshire shirt and an England shirt I’ve given my heart and soul. I can’t think there’d be too many cricket fans out there that would think I’ve slacked off for a moment.”

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      Unbelievable from the Aussie openers. Actually showing a bit of intent aswell, something that has been seriously lacking from them during the rest of the series

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        Originally posted by Father Dougal View Post
        I was really surprised bookies were offering single figure odds of this being a draw. Doubt there will be any more play today and iffy forecast tomorrow also.
        7.6 on betdaq at the moment. Could be a good price with that forecast

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          Originally posted by chrisp_1927 View Post
          7.6 on betdaq at the moment. Could be a good price with that forecast
          Well they aren't getting back on today that's for sure.

          We shall see tomorrow but definitely more rain forecast again

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          • Re: Official Ashes Thread

            Originally posted by chrisp_1927 View Post
            I reckon McGraths just about young enough to be considered modern day, although take your point that he's a different generation. I'd have to say there's a bit more than a slight difference between the likes of broad and the players in that list.

            In terms of total wickets, it's a hell of an achievement but I'd put a lot down to his durability as well as his talent. It's very commendable how he's kept himself in shape and says a lot about his natural strength and a good fitness regime. But by the same token, I don't see dale steyn as a lesser bowler because the injuries kept him to 400 odd.

            I think Broad summed himself up better than I ever could:
            “I think ultimately how I’ve played my sport is, I’d never want anyone in the crowd or watching at home to think he’s not giving absolute everything, he’s not putting his heart and soul into it,” Broad said. “I know I’m not the most skilful player, I know that I need every inch of my competitive spirit and my drive and my effort to get anything out of my ability. And I would say every day I’ve put on a Nottinghamshire shirt and an England shirt I’ve given my heart and soul. I can’t think there’d be too many cricket fans out there that would think I’ve slacked off for a moment.”
            McGrath is nearly 20 years older. If you compare him to Broad, you'd have to include Walsh and Ambrose etc.

            Broad is fantastic. He's being very modest there, he usually is, until they try to rest him . Broad has got better and better, he's bowling as well as he ever has. I find the desperation to knock him down remarkable. He walks into any team in the world, and is absolutely one of the best cricketers of his generation.

            Also, longevity is a skill. He has dedicated himself to the cause for nearly 20 years. He's obviously been lucky to a degree but he's also had to graft.

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              Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
              McGrath is nearly 20 years older. If you compare him to Broad, you'd have to include Walsh and Ambrose etc.

              Broad is fantastic. He's being very modest there, he usually is, until they try to rest him . Broad has got better and better, he's bowling as well as he ever has. I find the desperation to knock him down remarkable. He walks into any team in the world, and is absolutely one of the best cricketers of his generation.

              Also, longevity is a skill. He has dedicated himself to the cause for nearly 20 years. He's obviously been lucky to a degree but he's also had to graft.
              There was no desperation to knock him down, and the graft needed to play as long as he has was acknowledged in my post. There was no real knock down in my first post either, just the observation that his legacy probably looks more flattering now than it would after a potential struggle in India.

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                An improved forecast for London today with the possibility of disruption in the afternoon, but the first and last sessions should be okay. I’d make Australia favourites now.

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                  Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                  An improved forecast for London today with the possibility of disruption in the afternoon, but the first and last sessions should be okay. I’d make Australia favourites now.
                  Big first hour I suppose. Couple of early wickets for England and everything changes . Does look like the Aussies have the upper hand though

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                    If Wood is fit enough to bowl flat out then its still game on.

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                      Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                      If Wood is fit enough to bowl flat out then its still game on.
                      Think the issue with this and bazball is because they make their runs fast and maybe get out quicker their strike bowlers spend more time bowling or in the field.

                      That's got to be a physical drain on them.

                      Just typing bazball brings a bit of sick into my mouth.

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                        Australia lose their top three in the first hour - there’ll be talk of a dodgy ball change if they lose this.

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                          The umpire J Wilson is very poor.

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                            Surely the Stokes catch is legal. Arguably he lost control of the ball but I disagree as the catch was evident.

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                              Thought the Aussies were going to crack at 3 down, but that's a great partnership. Forecast must be crap mind, draw still around 7/4

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                                Originally posted by Vindec View Post
                                Surely the Stokes catch is legal. Arguably he lost control of the ball but I disagree as the catch was evident.
                                Stokes knew it wasn't complete the moment it left his hand.

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