The Budget

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It wasn't a fair question, but I don't rely on any one in particular. As I said, I take everything with a pinch of salt. Life has taught me that when you hear 2 sides of anything the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. And of course despite their calling, doctors and scientists views on a subject or policy can be coloured by their own view of things in general. Like anyone else they tell you what they want you to believe.

[Baloo]

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It wasn't a fair question, but I don't rely on any one in particular. As I said, I take everything with a pinch of salt. Life has taught me that when you hear 2 sides of anything the truth is normally somewhere in the middle. And of course despite their calling, doctors and scientists views on a subject or policy can be coloured by their own view of things in general. Like anyone else they tell you what they want you to believe.

I don’t agree with any of that tbh. Never mind,

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I don’t agree with any of that tbh. Never mind,

That's OK. Each to his own. If you want to believe everything you hear its up to you, or pick and choose which bits to believe. It's not much different than the people you listen to telling you the bits they want you to believe.
But as you say, never mind.

[The Bloop]

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thats not the issue , the issue is after sucking the arsenal of the NHS during this pandemic those who have saved lives have been taken the piss out of , again

But we love em , we clap em 👏

Remain calm , all is well

Question for you Sludge -

You have 10 nurses on £25k each pa. They are demanding a 10% pay rise and you have the funds available to pay this with a little bit left over.
Do you give them their 10% pay rise, or give them a 1% increase, an extra days annual leave and employ an 11th nurse?

[Baloo]

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That's OK. Each to his own. If you want to believe everything you hear its up to you, or pick and choose which bits to believe. It's not much different than the people you listen to telling you the bits they want you to believe.
But as you say, never mind.

It’s not a case of believing everything, but if I asked a scientist or somebody on a football message board about a specialist matter relevant to the scientists field I don’t really think the truth would normally be somewhere in the middle.

[blue matt]

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Question for you Sludge -

You have 10 nurses on £25k each pa. They are demanding a 10% pay rise and you have the funds available to pay this with a little bit left over.
Do you give them their 10% pay rise, or give them a 1% increase, an extra days annual leave and employ an 11th nurse?

or do you employ the 11th nurse and give them a 10% pay rise, ignore the debts and leave it to the fairies to fix

[surge]

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or do you employ the 11th nurse and give them a 10% pay rise, ignore the debts and leave it to the fairies to fix

Announced this evening that Philip Rutnam received £340,000 plus legal costs, as part of payout from the Home Offices.

Flippant point: how many nurses do you get if you trade in this Home Secretary for someone a bit better at the job?

Don't forget: "Nicky Morgan defended the Conservative manifesto pledge that there will be 50,000 more nurses in 10 years, despite figures suggesting 19,000 will be retained staff," which means there was expectation to lose 19,000 nurses in 10 years and Tories planned on taking action to reverse that loss. Has there been anything done so far, including in any of the budgets, to reverse loss of 19,000 nurses?

Slightly more serious point: it seems there is always money to spend if it fits the government's/minister's priorities and always difficult to find it if it doesn't. It's simply wrong to think about finances in the same way as a household finances.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Question for you Sludge -

You have 10 nurses on £25k each pa. They are demanding a 10% pay rise and you have the funds available to pay this with a little bit left over.
Do you give them their 10% pay rise, or give them a 1% increase, an extra days annual leave and employ an 11th nurse?

The answer is you scrap the nuclear deterrent

And also you don't give the nurses on 25k a ten percent pay rise which is plain daft , you give them a 2 or 3 percent pay rise which is easily possible even 8n the current economic circumstances

But the tories want to scrap the NHS , have never liked it and don't give two shifts about the people who work saving lives , never have , never will

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or do you employ the 11th nurse and give them a 10% pay rise, ignore the debts and leave it to the fairies to fix

Another tory with all the facts scribbled down on the back of a fag packet

The tories can piss off they will come crawling the next time we need the NHS , I hope the nurses go on strike , good luck to them

Tories , only know the value of money

Disgusting bunch

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Announced this evening that Philip Rutnam received £340,000 plus legal costs, as part of payout from the Home Offices.

Flippant point: how many nurses do you get if you trade in this Home Secretary for someone a bit better at the job?

Don't forget: "Nicky Morgan defended the Conservative manifesto pledge that there will be 50,000 more nurses in 10 years, despite figures suggesting 19,000 will be retained staff," which means there was expectation to lose 19,000 nurses in 10 years and Tories planned on taking action to reverse that loss. Has there been anything done so far, including in any of the budgets, to reverse loss of 19,000 nurses?

Slightly more serious point: it seems there is always money to spend if it fits the government's/minister's priorities and always difficult to find it if it doesn't. It's simply wrong to think about finances in the same way as a household finances.

of course, when you are struggling to form a government......whoosh out comes the cash for the Northern Ireland tory lot to back up the conservatives

Found money for that you tory vermin

I hope the NHS go on strike

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It’s not a case of believing everything, but if I asked a scientist or somebody on a football message board about a specialist matter relevant to the scientists field I don’t really think the truth would normally be somewhere in the middle.

I agree with that but it isn't what I said. I was about the scientists that come on news programmes and are quoted in newspapers. As I sai I always wonder how many the journalists had to ask before they got one who was prepared to say what they wanted people to hear. If you directly ask a specialist a question regarding his speciality they of course you would expect an answer you could rely on. But that wasn't the point.

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Sludge Factory, so help me understand. My father who worked within the NHS as a biomedical scientist, my mother who made assistant director of nursing, my sister who is presently a nurse, my aunties who were an audiologist and nursing receptionist (and are both married to ENT consultants), and my grandmother who was a nurse all vote for a party who doesn’t give a shit about them? Give your head a wobble and stop talking with your Labour blinkers. Trotting out party politics and vitriol makes you look like a halfwit.

[Optimistic Nick]

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Fantastic pay deal for those that have put their lives on the line for us , quite literally , from the conservatives

1 percent pay rise for nurses and doctors

That clap Boris was doing was clearly one handed

What a bunch of tossers

There was a nil cost option here.

£1000 fine for anyone not following social distancing rules or wearing masks. Double it each time it happens again. Obviously a tiny minority have a reason not to wear a mask and that can be sorted, but make it a strict liability offense for everyone else.

We already have facial recognition tech on building sites to pick up those not wearing appropriate PPE. Can't be a biggie to have this stuff automated in supermarkets etc. Shout big brother, I dont care: this is a situation that needs it and it means it can be deployed at scale.

All of that cash goes into an NHS staff fund, distributed each month to NHS and private medical staff putting their lives at risk because cretins refuse to wear a mask. and it can be tax free as the morons without masks have already paid the tax on it.

[life on mars]

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Sludge Factory, so help me understand. My father who worked within the NHS as a biomedical scientist, my mother who made assistant director of nursing, my sister who is presently a nurse, my aunties who were an audiologist and nursing receptionist (and are both married to ENT consultants), and my grandmother who was a nurse all vote for a party who doesn’t give a shit about them? Give your head a wobble and stop talking with your Labour blinkers. Trotting out party politics and vitriol makes you look like a halfwit.

Wow your family has really added wonderful value to our society. Your right its free society and you shouldn't be judged by your political choices there's good in each party and it doesn't make you evil if you chose between one or the other .

[life on mars]

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YouGov poll after budget has with a 13-point lead over Labour.

""Their budget was the most popular in a decade, with 55 per cent of people describing it as “fair”""