Lets Have a Sensible Debate -Part 1

[Tuerto]

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So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.

You could swap "Rubin" with "Cardiff City" in that sentence.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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So, in short, and going by this thread. For Rubin to fulfill his potential, we need a new manager, different players and different tactics. I propose changing the angle of the stadium.

Not so sure about different players, but yes, a new manager and different tactics would work wonders for him I reckon.

Some might see that as a thinly veiled criticism of our current set up but it isn't intended to be. It's nothing more than that old nugget where some players thrive at some clubs, under certain managers and with certain tactics, yet can look average (and worse) elsewhere. There aren't many players who are excellent at every club and under every manager they play under. Look at how many good players we've thought we've got over the years but have been shit for us, then done well elsewhere!!

[Tuerto]

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Not so sure about different players, but yes, a new manager and different tactics would work wonders for him I reckon.

Some might see that as a thinly veiled criticism of our current set up but it isn't intended to be. It's nothing more than that old nugget where some players thrive at some clubs, under certain managers and with certain tactics, yet can look average (and worse) elsewhere. There aren't many players who are excellent at every club and under every manager they play under. Look at how many good players we've thought we've got over the years but have been shit for us, then done well elsewhere!!

Fair enough, it seems to be the general consensus on here amongst those who can see something special in Colwill.So, why not other players? Why aren't they being afforded this new formation tactical style in order for them to show us that they are better than they are? Etete, Wintle, Siopis, Bowler (Especially Bowler) Turnbull etc are routinely criticised and then some, They're not afforded the excuseof a new manager and tactics, coaching etc, But they're not Welsh and they didn't come through the system.

Ever heard the phrase' There's just something missing' Well that's how i feel about Colwill. There's just something not right about hi game and his physicality, and we could have another 20 managers and coaches and that wont change, He's the common denominator and we're now in the territory of excuses, which is something i really don't like.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Fair enough, it seems to be the general consensus on here amongst those who can see something special in Colwill.So, why not other players? Why aren't they being afforded this new formation tactical style in order for them to show us that they are better than they are? Etete, Wintle, Siopis, Bowler (Especially Bowler) Turnbull etc are routinely criticised and then some, They're not afforded the excuseof a new manager and tactics, coaching etc, But they're not Welsh and they didn't come through the system.

Ever heard the phrase' There's just something missing' Well that's how i feel about Colwill. There's just something not right about hi game and his physicality, and we could have another 20 managers and coaches and that wont change, He's the common denominator and we're now in the territory of excuses, which is something i really don't like.

I would suggest a good manager can make a team out of the players at his disposal and try and get the best out of them. For me Bulut has his tactic and shoehorns players into what he wants.

[Tuerto]

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I would suggest a good manager can make a team out of the players at his disposal and try and get the best out of them. For me Bulut has his tactic and shoehorns players into what he wants.

Agree, but that will not stop good players showing us what they can do, even if it's sporadic. i've said enough on Bulut, His tactics are disgraceful, But it's not down to Bulut when a player decides to hold on to the ball that half a second to long which can be the difference in an attacking sense. It's not down to Bulut when players make the most basic of errors, and that happens regularly. The players have to take some responibility or improve. And all of this guff about coaching, well, a Touch can't be coached, awareness can't be coached, vision can't be coached, intelligence can't be coached, and those are the things we desperately need.

Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses.

I agree with this. I think some players and Bulut are getting away with murder, people blaming everyone else or budgets etc. Colwill needs to make himself undroppable, he’ll still get dropped by Bulut though so Wintle can play at 10 . In seriousness, how anyone thinks he wants to play good football when we did that for months on end needs to give their head a wobble!

[LeningradCowboy]

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I've watched all of the Wales U21 games when they have been on Youtube for this qualifying, Colwill is the outstanding player of that group, if he'd played for another club I think we as Wales fans would be very excited about him.

Not sure that I'd be too excited about a player who is almost 22 but still appearing for the U21s.

[Tuerto]

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I agree with this. I think some players and Bulut are getting away with murder, people blaming everyone else or budgets etc. Colwill needs to make himself undroppable, he’ll still get dropped by Bulut though so Wintle can play at 10 . In seriousness, how anyone thinks he wants to play good football when we did that for months on end needs to give their head a wobble!

He doesn't rate Colwill (Like you said) so i agree, Bulut can't wait to Hook him, which is unfair, although not uncommon in football. Players need to show more, even if the manager is shit, negative, and everything else in between. And when, as a fan base, did we become to passive? **** me, we just take it, make excuses for the wankers on the pitch and the coaching staff, owners etc. I wont watch that crap, because that's what it is. Lining up, playing in a way where not losing is the first port of call deserves calling out. I can understand being more cautious against much better sides (like it did us any good) but the other 20 sides in this division? i mean c,mon

[life on mars]

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Regarding of Manager next season

what do we do with Rubin Colwill ?

His best position ?
Do we build a team around him ?
Is he good enough for top level championship / prem football ?

Had more minutes this season than last and I,m still 50/50 his best position for starters .

What do you lot think ?

Stay with Mgr, but back him.

Use his contacts abroad he has a few Greeks and Turks especially disciplined types.

Less loans more contract signings.

Under 27 signings only

Sign players who are comfortable on the ball with , vision and play with thier heads up.

Send Rubin on loan to Germany.

( we only rate Rubin as he is Welsh, yes he is good , build a team around him?? is not a viable thought In my humble opinion )

Forget about Kieffer .

Cancel Rambos contract its sucking valuable wages away from the club with very little payback.

[MOZZER2]

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Stay with Mgr, but back him.

Use his contacts abroad he has a few Greeks and Turks especially disciplined types.

Less loans more contract signings.

Under 27 signings only

Sign players who are comfortable on the ball with , vision and play with thier heads up.

Send Rubin on loan to Germany.

( we only rate Rubin as he is Welsh, yes he is good , build a team around him?? is not a viable thought In my humble opinion )

Forget about Kieffer .

Cancel Rambos contract its sucking valuable wages away from the club with very little payback.

I will add a part 3 to my sensible debate post as sludge as nicked part 2 - lol - which I am going to address the signing and type of players required and the dreadful situation Bulut faced during the January window

will do that after the Coventry game but you have hit the nail on the head regarding type of players required to take us up to the next level

But nice to see some well thought out and constructed replys in general regarding the Colwill situation

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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Agree, but that will not stop good players showing us what they can do, even if it's sporadic. i've said enough on Bulut, His tactics are disgraceful, But it's not down to Bulut when a player decides to hold on to the ball that half a second to long which can be the difference in an attacking sense. It's not down to Bulut when players make the most basic of errors, and that happens regularly. The players have to take some responibility or improve. And all of this guff about coaching, well, a Touch can't be coached, awareness can't be coached, vision can't be coached, intelligence can't be coached, and those are the things we desperately need.

Just to add, when players are out there, then they have license to perform, the manager is a spectator, he has the power to hook plaayers, but he can't dictate individual freedoms and decisions on the ball, and if he could, then **** him. Maybe the players should stop being so soft and maybe the upporters should demand much more from them (and the manager) and stop making excuses.

Excellent post (particularly the part that I highlighted).

[PontBlue]

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Regarding of Manager next season

what do we do with Rubin Colwill ?

His best position ?
Do we build a team around him ?
Is he good enough for top level championship / prem football ?

Had more minutes this season than last and I,m still 50/50 his best position for starters .

What do you lot think ?

You've got to play him as a 10 but you've got to have mobile attack minded players around him who want to play forward.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Stay with Mgr, but back him...

He’s been backed. None of the three most expensive signings he’s made started on Saturday. Two of them didn’t end up playing a single minute despite the appalling performances of those who were on the field.

That speaks volumes.

[life on mars]

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He’s been backed. None of the three most expensive signings he’s made started on Saturday. Two of them didn’t end up playing a single minute despite the appalling performances of those who were on the field.

That speaks volumes.

What signings are you refering too??