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  • Re: EUROS thread. Sunday 23rd June 2024.

    Damning stats for Scotland taken from the BBC website;-

    Scotland had just 17 shots at Euro 2024 in total – since the group stage was introduced in 1980, that is the joint fewest by any nation in a group stage, along with Northern Ireland at Euro 2016.

    There have only been two instances at these finals of a team failing to have a shot in the first half of a match and both have been Scotland - against Germany and Hungary."

    My knowledge of modern day Scottish football isn't great, but it seems to me that they were over achieving until about fifteen months ago and now they're under achieving. You look at the strongest side Scotland can put out today and the strongest team we could play and, for me, they're better than us - yes. we've been better than them for much of the past dozen years or so, but Scotland have a nucleus of good Premier League players whereas we have Brennan Johnson and Ben Davies (who I reckon Spurs will sell or loan out in the summer) and a lot of Premier League reserves or Championship first teamers.

    Historically, Scotland have been better than Wales most of the time and I don't see how any Welsh person can argue that we're more of a football nation than them, yet, somehow, we've only failed to get out of the group stage in one of the four major tournaments we've reached and reached a Quarter Final and a Semi Final (plus a European Championship Quarter Final in 1976). By contrast, Scotland have made it to the major tournament final competitions twelve times (concrete evidence of them being better than us historically) and never made it out of the group stages.

    No doubt, Scotland can point to bad luck denying them some times (the World Cups of 74 and 82 spring to mind for me), but it's incredible that they have such a wretched record because they're better than that. I didn't realise that they played in as many as twelve major tournament finals, that's an awful lot and it makes me think that the weight of history had a bit to do with what was really a bit of a no show last night against opponents who were decent, but nothing special at this level.

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    • Re: EUROS thread. Sunday 23rd June 2024.

      Unfortunately, 5cotland played the last 10 minutes, how they should have played the previous 80

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      • Re: EUROS thread. Sunday 23rd June 2024.

        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
        Damning stats for Scotland taken from the BBC website;-

        Scotland had just 17 shots at Euro 2024 in total – since the group stage was introduced in 1980, that is the joint fewest by any nation in a group stage, along with Northern Ireland at Euro 2016.

        There have only been two instances at these finals of a team failing to have a shot in the first half of a match and both have been Scotland - against Germany and Hungary."

        My knowledge of modern day Scottish football isn't great, but it seems to me that they were over achieving until about fifteen months ago and now they're under achieving. You look at the strongest side Scotland can put out today and the strongest team we could play and, for me, they're better than us - yes. we've been better than them for much of the past dozen years or so, but Scotland have a nucleus of good Premier League players whereas we have Brennan Johnson and Ben Davies (who I reckon Spurs will sell or loan out in the summer) and a lot of Premier League reserves or Championship first teamers.

        Historically, Scotland have been better than Wales most of the time and I don't see how any Welsh person can argue that we're more of a football nation than them, yet, somehow, we've only failed to get out of the group stage in one of the four major tournaments we've reached and reached a Quarter Final and a Semi Final (plus a European Championship Quarter Final in 1976). By contrast, Scotland have made it to the major tournament final competitions twelve times (concrete evidence of them being better than us historically) and never made it out of the group stages.

        No doubt, Scotland can point to bad luck denying them some times (the World Cups of 74 and 82 spring to mind for me), but it's incredible that they have such a wretched record because they're better than that. I didn't realise that they played in as many as twelve major tournament finals, that's an awful lot and it makes me think that the weight of history had a bit to do with what was really a bit of a no show last night against opponents who were decent, but nothing special at this level.
        Agree that you cannot argue with the history. 12 qualifications speaks for itself. Disagree with underachievers now - they are just so incredibly limited, for me playing at their level. Simply a complete lack of quality. Summed up by Callum mcgregor. Watched him for best part of 3 games. Offered precisely nothing. Genuinely would pick siopassback ahead of him. And I’m not a big fan!!!

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        • Re: EUROS thread. Sunday 23rd June 2024.

          Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
          Damning stats for Scotland taken from the BBC website;-

          Scotland had just 17 shots at Euro 2024 in total – since the group stage was introduced in 1980, that is the joint fewest by any nation in a group stage, along with Northern Ireland at Euro 2016.
          Clarke's time at the "Erol Bulut academy of attacking football" was well spent then.

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          • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

            MONDAY 24th JUNE

            FT: ALBANIA 0 - 1 SPAIN

            FT: CROATIA 1 - 1 ITALY

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            • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

              Originally posted by Michael Morris View Post
              MONDAY 24th JUNE

              ALBANIA v SPAIN. 8pm

              CROATIA v ITALY. 8pm
              Croatia v Italy is the value game tonight. Croatia will go second if they beat Italy and then the Italians would be hoping for a best third place. If Italy lose and Albania miraculously beat Spain (who are already group winners) Italy would be eliminated.

              For Italy a point sees them through in second place.

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              • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                any game got to be better than the crap on offer last night

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                • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                  Originally posted by Tuerto View Post
                  Hmmm, a problem for the media. Which set of fans can they openly patronise and throw ridiculous cliches about now that the Scots are on their way home? The Irish aren't there to sing and dance for our pleasure and we're not there which means Talksport etc can't get all bleary eyed over our Anthem and the passion it invokes. Oh dear.
                  The Scots fans didn't exactly shy away from that coverage did they. If you go to games in processions flanked by bagpipes what do you expect .

                  Saying that, I thought the coverage of them was actually really positive. Certainly more positive than grumpy git like me would have been about them

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                  • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                    Originally posted by Hilts View Post
                    I didn't watch the game but switched on the analysis.

                    They are looking at what they are saying is a 100% penalty denied on Armstrong.

                    It didn't even go to VAR. They showed the slo mo and GL asked is there anything there that makes a clear penalty a doubt. They all say No.

                    From what I'm seeing Armstrong sticks his leg out towards the Hungarian and pulls him over with a clear shirt pull.

                    Am I completely wrong? I think it's a talking point but for all the panel to say there's nothing there to make it not a clear error is just wrong.
                    It's an odd incident. Armstrong seems to miss the ball, allowing the defender to catch up, then sticks his arm and leg out then grabs the defender's shirt (although that might have been after the contact). There's definitely contact by the defender, but I think the ref probably thought he was just looking for a penalty or it was 50-50.
                    Very surprised they didn't use VAR though.

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                    • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                      Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
                      It's an odd incident. Armstrong seems to miss the ball, allowing the defender to catch up, then sticks his arm and leg out then grabs the defender's shirt (although that might have been after the contact). There's definitely contact by the defender, but I think the ref probably thought he was just looking for a penalty or it was 50-50.
                      Very surprised they didn't use VAR though.
                      you just answered the reason var wasnt called for, he was looking for it ,they were crap all tournament and got what they deseved nothing

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                      • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                        Originally posted by poc View Post
                        any game got to be better than the crap on offer last night
                        now you gone and done it...these finals are awfully boring.

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                        • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                          Originally posted by poc View Post
                          you just answered the reason var wasnt called for, he was looking for it ,they were crap all tournament and got what they deseved nothing
                          From a very proud Scotsman ..... a fair synopsis of our tournament.
                          I think I knew what was coming , had no interest in getting over to Germany
                          I might go now . No expectations or hope to spoil the football.

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                          • Re: GERMANY v SCOTLAND. Match thread

                            If Albania fail to win England will be guaranteed a best 3rd place finish at minimum, not sure if anyone kne, but the bird on 5live keeps saying. Over and over.

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                            • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                              Originally posted by ToTaL ITK View Post
                              now you gone and done it...these finals are awfully boring.
                              I've switched off already - just so predictable, going nowhere very slowly. The commentators don't shut up for one second just to make sure you keep interested..

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                              • Re: EUROS thread. Monday 24th June 2024.

                                Originally posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
                                I've switched off already - just so predictable, going nowhere very slowly. The commentators don't shut up for one second just to make sure you keep interested..
                                They might be getting paid to chat shit?

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