Giving Siopis Grief

[AdrianAlston]

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One club goal in his career last time I looked and he’s scored once for Greece.

My opinion has always been the same about Siopis once it became clear what his game is all about - he’s the best at the club at what he does, but we had other players who could do hisjob to a decent enough standard already, so why did we sign him? The money he’s costing us could have been better spent bringing in the sort of player I hope Robertson is this time last year.

This. How much better is he than Rinhomota or Adams? Eli King has a higher ceiling. Also think it is the role that Ralls should be playing at his stage of his career.

Siopis is OK and gives 100%, but he is not technically or physically good enough for a team seeking promotion to the Premiership.

His signing strikes me of the manager recruiting an ally in the dressing room. Not uncommon or unreasonable.

[J R Hartley]

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From what i have seen of him he's a busy bee. His job is to break the play up and give the ball to more creative players, which means that his passing range isn't going to be that complex. If he does his job and others do theirs then there shouldn't be a problem. People continually moaning about him passing the ball sideways are a bit ****ing special if they don't really understand his role in the team. They might as well take a swipe at Goutas for not going on Mazey dribbles. Be critical by all means, but atleast criticise the things in a players job description. That's not to say that i rate him, i don't really have much of an opinion on him.

You’re making him sound like Claude Makele ffs.


Why isn’t passing the ball forward in his job description? Especially if Bulut is intent on this slow possession then the two deeper midfielders need to be able to pass the ball and pass it progressively on times. Doesn’t have to be defence splitting passes but a good DM still needs to be able to pass forward and pass between the lines. He just slows us down.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You’re making him sound like Claude Makele ffs.


Why isn’t passing the ball forward in his job description? Especially if Bulut is intent on this slow possession then the two deeper midfielders need to be able to pass the ball and pass it progressively on times. Doesn’t have to be defence splitting passes but a good DM still needs to be able to pass forward and pass between the lines. He just slows us down.

I am not disagreeing he's no world beater but he gets it in the neck when there are 11 out there

[Hilts]

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I am not disagreeing he's no world beater but he gets it in the neck when there are 11 out there

I'd say about 8 of Saturdays team have had grief after that shit show.

I think its standing out more for Siopis as some are backing his performance hence there being a debate with those critical. I thought he was poor but others were as bad but I'm more concerned with the squad as a whole and the awful style of play under Bulut and lack of trust of younger players.

[insider]

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He's great at winning the ball back it's just a pity 90% of that is because he's given it away in the first place. It's almost like he's thought here's my time on the ball let's make the most of it.

[Tuerto]

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You’re making him sound like Claude Makele ffs.


Why isn’t passing the ball forward in his job description? Especially if Bulut is intent on this slow possession then the two deeper midfielders need to be able to pass the ball and pass it progressively on times. Doesn’t have to be defence splitting passes but a good DM still needs to be able to pass forward and pass between the lines. He just slows us down.

I didn't make him sound like anything, i gave a description of what would probably be expected of him.

[J R Hartley]

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I am not disagreeing he's no world beater but he gets it in the neck when there are 11 out there

Most of whom have copped it, some more than others. I wouldnt even say Siopis in the top 3 who have had pelters for last Saturday. Turnbull has copped it more than most and he only come on for 15 minutes.

[J R Hartley]

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I didn't make him sound like anything, i gave a description of what would probably be expected of him.

If never passing the ball forward is what is expected of him then we set ourselves a very low bar and its little wonder we are so slow in transition. Of course midfielders in his position have to pass the ball sideways, they are also expected to pass the ball forwards and get us on the front foot on times too. Well, the good ones are.

As has been said elsewhere on him. He gave a really simple 15 yard ball away on Saturday then chased back and got a tackle in and a large portion of the the crowd clapped like demented seals. That just up sums him up and a lot of our fans.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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He's great at winning the ball back it's just a pity 90% of that is because he's given it away in the first place. It's almost like he's thought here's my time on the ball let's make the most of it.

This seems to be the perception of Siopis.

However, it might be interesting to know that last season, Siopis had:

The best pass completion rate of all of our regular midfielders in terms of all of short, medium and long distance passing

The worst tackle success rate of all of our regular midfielders and was the midfielder least likely to win a tackle against someone dribbling the ball towards him.

Lots seem to think he's a bit of a tiger, excellent at winning possession but crap with it, but statistically, he's a crap tackler but good passer.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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This. How much better is he than Rinhomota or Adams? Eli King has a higher ceiling. Also think it is the role that Ralls should be playing at his stage of his career.

Siopis is OK and gives 100%, but he is not technically or physically good enough for a team seeking promotion to the Premiership.

His signing strikes me of the manager recruiting an ally in the dressing room. Not uncommon or unreasonable.

You can't fault his industry even though he achieves relatively little. Unlike Ramsey who has a huge pedigree but also achieves very little without Siopis' industry. There's an awful lot to sort out there..

[J R Hartley]

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This seems to be the perception of Siopis.

However, it might be interesting to know that last season, Siopis had:

The best pass completion rate of all of our regular midfielders in terms of all of short, medium and long distance passing

The worst tackle success rate of all of our regular midfielders and was the midfielder least likely to win a tackle against someone dribbling the ball towards him.

Lots seem to think he's a bit of a tiger, excellent at winning possession but crap with it, but statistically, he's a crap tackler but good passer.

Having the best passing success rate in a Cardiff City midifield does not make you a good passer.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Most of whom have copped it, some more than others. I wouldnt even say Siopis in the top 3 who have had pelters for last Saturday. Turnbull has copped it more than most and he only come on for 15 minutes.

Turnbull is a good player and will only settle with game time

[Rjk]

Re: Giving Siopis Grief

This seems to be the perception of Siopis.

However, it might be interesting to know that last season, Siopis had:

The best pass completion rate of all of our regular midfielders in terms of all of short, medium and long distance passing

The worst tackle success rate of all of our regular midfielders and was the midfielder least likely to win a tackle against someone dribbling the ball towards him.

Lots seem to think he's a bit of a tiger, excellent at winning possession but crap with it, but statistically, he's a crap tackler but good passer.

he's got the lowest %tackle success, but he attempts more tackles than most of the others.

Wintle had the highest tackle % success rate of our regularly played midfielders but attempted the fewest.

sometimes even if you don't win the ball, just being there to attempt a tackle is enough to disrupt an attack.

as always you also have to factor in what the player might have been told to play like.
Ebou Adams had a really impressive stats for tackling both in terms of success rate and tackles attempted, will be interesting to see how he does this season

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Having the best passing success rate in a Cardiff City midifield does not make you a good passer.

Agree, though his pass success rate is decent enough.

[J R Hartley]

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he's got the lowest %tackle success, but he attempts more tackles than most of the others.

Wintle had the highest tackle % success rate of our regularly played midfielders but attempted the fewest.

sometimes even if you don't win the ball, just being there to attempt a tackle is enough to disrupt an attack.

as always you also have to factor in what the player might have been told to play like.
Ebou Adams had a really impressive stats for tackling both in terms of success rate and tackles attempted, will be interesting to see how he does this season

According to Who Scored he won more tackles and made more interceptions per game. 1.7 and 1.3. Ralls and Wintle were less than 1 or less on both measures. Not great stats either way.

Also, pass success stats can be misleading. Barry Bannan has a similair PS rate to Siopis but he is a much better passer of the ball. His passing is crisper and he gets his team on the front foot. He gave a passing masterclass against Plymouth on Sunday.