Alex Robertson

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Alex Robertson

This is a thread in praise of a Scottish Aussie. Nobody has mentioned Welsh midfielders. Your reacting to perceived unfair criticism of a Greek player and claiming that we are are anti-English.

For what it's worth, I think Robertson is a class act.

I'd also agree with the content of your 1st paragraph, hence the Charlie Oatway comparison. Jason Perry and Jeff Eckhardt were also well loved for similar reasons. I just think that the Championship demands more quality (and physique).

Keep the faith.

....full disclosure....I have 1/4 Greek blood.....so I'm being more than a tad hypocritical on the objectivity bit....and conflicted.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Alex Robertson

Completely agree with the point on Tan.

I don’t think the anti-English thing is a thing with our players though, Tanner gets more praise than he deserves, lots of English players have been very well supported down the years. Of course fans want our youth players to do well and probably give them more time than someone signed but I don’t think that is a Cardiff city thing, probably the same at every club.

Will have to disagree on Siopis though, it drives me crazy him running around like a headless chicken and being way out of position, giving simple passes away.

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[Father Dougal]

Re: Alex Robertson

The reason I'll fight his corner is because I've watched, sat through, been bored stiff and infuriated with our football for years. I'll fight his corner because he wants that shirt. Our shirt. He loves City. Gives everything. Doesn't hide away. Doesn't sulk. Doesn't complain. The fans? The fans currently (at least on here) don't appreciate that and it's the 'oh yeah, he runs around a lot'. Well, f*ck me we could have done with a few more players running around a bit more this season.

What I think is wrong with our fanbase is we're too Welsh focused. Too biased towards our youth players (if they're Welsh and come through our academy then f*ck me, they can't put a boot wrong). We're too entrenched in anti-English bollox and every player is a bad un but mysteriously goes on to play well for other clubs.

It's not the likes of Siopis that should be hounded. It's Tan. He's f*cking awful and the club is dying. Siopis will likely face England on Thursday but hardly anyone will give a toss. They'll just look for him to fail. That's what's wrong with our fanbase. In my opinion.

Not everyone who goes to watch Cardiff City play in the EFL is from Cardiff or Welsh. That's a big problem with our fanbase. It gets in the way of objectivity. That's why we're not as big a club as we should be.

I'll throw in that we have sh*t chants/songs too.

Don't wake the Kraken.

I was on your side in the pro siopsis camp. I still am.

But you lost me when explaining our fans are too anti english therefore dont like siopsis? But stick up for ralls and wintle?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Alex Robertson

I was on your side in the pro siopsis camp. I still am.

But you lost me when explaining our fans are too anti english therefore dont like siopsis? But stick up for ralls and wintle?

You're right. I went off on one. There's nothing more complicated than that. Just put it down to the rantings of a madman with a love/hate relationship with Cardiff City.

[Rjk]

Re: Alex Robertson

I was on your side in the pro siopsis camp. I still am.

But you lost me when explaining our fans are too anti english therefore dont like siopsis? But stick up for ralls and wintle?

siopis

[Lord Worcester]

Re: Alex Robertson

I think it’s really straightforward. And just talking about Siopis only and not comparing him to any other player. He simply is not good enough to play for us in a championship midfield.

[Rjk]

Re: Alex Robertson

I think it’s really straightforward. And just talking about Siopis only and not comparing him to any other player. He simply is not good enough to play for us in a championship midfield.

I think Siopis gets an unfair amount of stick on here.
I can remember a game not long ago when everyone was lamenting his passing, and when you looked at the stats afterwards he had about the best passing stats of anyone in the team - pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final 1/3 etc.
He is prone to making the odd "unforced error" to borrow a term from tennis - where he's got time on the ball, players in space and then for no explicable reason just passes it perfectly to an opposition player - so i suppose these stick in the mind more than other players who actually give the ball away more often.

He isn't actually that effective at tackling though, although he is "busy". And when he does give the ball away he's always 100% trying to win it back.

[Carl Dale's Mole]

Re: Alex Robertson

I think Siopis gets an unfair amount of stick on here.
I can remember a game not long ago when everyone was lamenting his passing, and when you looked at the stats afterwards he had about the best passing stats of anyone in the team - pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final 1/3 etc.
He is prone to making the odd "unforced error" to borrow a term from tennis - where he's got time on the ball, players in space and then for no explicable reason just passes it perfectly to an opposition player - so i suppose these stick in the mind more than other players who actually give the ball away more often.

He isn't actually that effective at tackling though, although he is "busy". And when he does give the ball away he's always 100% trying to win it back.

I know you love your stats.

Using the same site you used fbref.com, Robertson has made 59 LESS passes than Siopis yet his progressive passing distance is already 43 yards more.

We complain about how slow our attack is. Doesn't help that Siopis is busy passing accurately back to his defenders that are behind him.

[Rjk]

Re: Alex Robertson

I know you love your stats.

Using the same site you used fbref.com, Robertson has made 59 LESS passes than Siopis yet his progressive passing distance is already 43 yards more.

We complain about how slow our attack is. Doesn't help that Siopis is busy passing accurately back to his defenders that are behind him.

I'm all for the midfield driving us forwards, and we look much better with a Robertson in there than having 2 similar sitting midfielders - I just don't think Siopis warrants all of the stick he gets sometimes - there are pleny of others just as guilty as him of slowing the attacks down under Bulut

[PontBlue]

Re: Alex Robertson

I think Siopis gets an unfair amount of stick on here.
I can remember a game not long ago when everyone was lamenting his passing, and when you looked at the stats afterwards he had about the best passing stats of anyone in the team - pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final 1/3 etc.
He is prone to making the odd "unforced error" to borrow a term from tennis - where he's got time on the ball, players in space and then for no explicable reason just passes it perfectly to an opposition player - so i suppose these stick in the mind more than other players who actually give the ball away more often.

He isn't actually that effective at tackling though, although he is "busy". And when he does give the ball away he's always 100% trying to win it back.

I'd rather someone who doesn't give it away in the first place especially when the passes they play are simple and often sideways and backwards

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Alex Robertson

I'd rather someone who doesn't give it away in the first place especially when the passes they play are simple and often sideways and backwards

Every player we have gives the ball away. Ralls, Goutas, Chambers, Collwill, O'Dowda, Tanner, Bagan the list goes on. It's just easier to find a scapegoat. Fact. We're bottom. People are still talking about the Plymouth game like it's going to be easy. Wake up guys. We're awful. I think people are in denial.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Alex Robertson

I think Siopis gets an unfair amount of stick on here.
I can remember a game not long ago when everyone was lamenting his passing, and when you looked at the stats afterwards he had about the best passing stats of anyone in the team - pass completion, progressive passes, passes into the final 1/3 etc.
He is prone to making the odd "unforced error" to borrow a term from tennis - where he's got time on the ball, players in space and then for no explicable reason just passes it perfectly to an opposition player - so i suppose these stick in the mind more than other players who actually give the ball away more often.

He isn't actually that effective at tackling though, although he is "busy". And when he does give the ball away he's always 100% trying to win it back.

Good post. Honest.

[Loramski]

Re: Alex Robertson

You cannot play Robertson, Turnbull and Colwill in midfield. We would get overrun.

Riza must have seen this post as a challenge.

[Carl Dale's Mole]

Re: Alex Robertson

Riza must have seen this post as a challenge.