Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

[Rjk]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

After leaving us and a brief spell at Forest, has Rambo ever played for a non-top-quartile team that expects to win most of its games playing a possession-based game?

As the star signing and a local hero we have gone all out on the possession game, even though, even by championship standards, we don't have the talent for it. Its painful watching some of our players and manager trying it. Ramsey played well for Wales with far better players but it bottomed him.

You can see the class on the ball, but there are so many players we only judge by goals and assists and use it as a stick to beat hem. It's about wins, i don't believe the manager has a clue how to get them with or without Rambo.

at no point have we gone all out on the possession game

[llan bluebird]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

at no point have we gone all out on the possession game

I am sure Riza's football CV would include his personal statement: "I am a possession-based manager who believes the keeper is an outfield player. We play the ball through the thirds via our central halfs using combinations of single, double pivots, double boxes, and inverted wingers."

We are crap at it and so late its almost retro.

He is a youth coach where the goal isn't neccassirily wins but player development

[splott parker]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Would help if Riza spoke in understandable English every now and again.

[Tuerto]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Would help if Riza spoke in understandable English every now and again.

They're all at it these days, coaching badges and they all think that they're guru's. He was right about Colwill, he wasn't and out and out wide player, a d I know this might sound controversial, but plenty of fans don't understand tactical play or formations, Including myself, but what fans can see is when things just aren't working, they might not be technical, but they can see when things are going down the shitter, players aren't looking right in certain formations etc. Riza says that he takes responsibility, no shit, of course he does, he has no choice but too, what he doesn't do, like so many others, is say where he got things wrong.

[goats]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Could Aaron Ramsey’s absence actually be a benefit for the rest of the season? I know that won’t be a popular idea with some, but I believe it might be.

Ramsey has started six Championship games this season and also made two lengthy sub appearances. The team’s record with him in it is appalling:

P 8, W 0, D 3, L5, GF 5, GA 16, Pts 3

Ramsey’s absence will give Omer Riza and his coaching staff fewer options in the centre of midfield and, as odd as this might sound, I reckon that may prove a plus-point. Riza seemingly can’t resist tinkering with the starting line-up on a regular basis and there’s no doubt in my mind that’s a significant part of the problem.

Ramsey has shown the occasional touch of class during his eight league appearances, but generally he’s looked well off the pace. He hasn’t had anything like the sort of positive influence everyone hoped he would and his habit of regularly conceding possession has been an accident waiting to happen. I reckon that, on balance, the team will probably be better off without him.

Seemed like a good idea, but him playing has been a disaster. It doesn’t seem like he’s even able to influence and inspire the team when not playing…maybe a decent under 18 or 21 coach but I’d say that’s in the balance but that’s the only role I’d say he should try now.

[splott parker]

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They're all at it these days, coaching badges and they all think that they're guru's. He was right about Colwill, he wasn't and out and out wide player, a d I know this might sound controversial, but plenty of fans don't understand tactical play or formations, Including myself, but what fans can see is when things just aren't working, they might not be technical, but they can see when things are going down the shitter, players aren't looking right in certain formations etc. Riza says that he takes responsibility, no shit, of course he does, he has no choice but too, what he doesn't do, like so many others, is say where he got things wrong.

It’s all a bit smoke & mirrors though when they wriggle out of things with the ‘clever technical jargon, that, of course, you fans won’t understand’ shite.

You’re a spread and no doubt you’ve come across poorly built ‘tower of Pisa’ walls. The customer doesn’t really want to know the intricacies of dubbing out, thinner & thicker scratch coats, Unibonding for adhesion, building up each coat gradually to eventually get a flat, plumb finish etc. Explaining all that to him would seem as though you’re panning it out to get more credit and impress him with the fluent bollocks that you’re aware of but he has no clue. All he wants is the final bit of my earlier description, a flat, plumb finish.

We fans, or the ones I knock around with, glaze over when losing coaches/managers spout what is really an admission of failure of their scientific shite. They can keep their ‘in’ talk to the tradesmen (the players), we the fans (or customers as I keep getting told) want a nice, flat, plumb finish, ie defending from our defenders, goals from anywhere and a few wins with honest effort and no ‘I’m cleverer than you’ bollocks from the bloke in charge because he’s digging a bigger hole and making an utter c*nt of himself.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

It’s all a bit smoke & mirrors though when they wriggle out of things with the ‘clever technical jargon, that, of course, you fans won’t understand’ shite.

You’re a spread and no doubt you’ve come across poorly built ‘tower of Pisa’ walls. The customer doesn’t really want to know the intricacies of dubbing out, thinner & thicker scratch coats, Unibonding for adhesion, building up each coat gradually to eventually get a flat, plumb finish etc. Explaining all that to him would seem as though you’re panning it out to get more credit and impress him with the fluent bollocks that you’re aware of but he has no clue. All he wants is the final bit of my earlier description, a flat, plumb finish.

We fans, or the ones I knock around with, glaze over when losing coaches/managers spout what is really an admission of failure of their scientific shite. They can keep their ‘in’ talk to the tradesmen (the players), we the fans (or customers as I keep getting told) want a nice, flat, plumb finish, ie defending from our defenders, goals from anywhere and a few wins with honest effort and no ‘I’m cleverer than you’ bollocks from the bloke in charge because he’s digging a bigger hole and making an utter c*nt of himself.

Agreed!

I'm not interested in false 9s (or is it a 10?), box formations etc.

Give me a plumb-finish at the final whistle and we'll all be happy! :thumbup:

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

As expected, the Luton debacle has turned out to be Ramsey’s final game of the season. It’ll be a sad way for him to have ended his Cardiff City playing career, but I hope it was his last game for us. Offering him a new contract for next season would be farcical under the circumstances.

[Enoch Mort]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

As expected, the Luton debacle has turned out to be Ramsey’s final game of the season. It’ll be a sad way for him to have ended his Cardiff City playing career, but I hope it was his last game for us. Offering him a new contract for next season would be farcical under the circumstances.

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It is sad way to end his time with us. In some respects the word “career” seems to be a bit of an exaggeration although literally correct. He only managed 40 or so games for us in his 3 spells. He was a marvellous player for both Arsenal and Wales and, much as we might love him to bits, you might argue his major contribution to CCFC was earning us £4m+ in a transfer fee in 2008 when we desperately needed it. Sadly, his final spell with us was a costly gamble that did not pay off. You would like to think that there was a coaching opportunity with us at the normal going rate within the Club Establishment but a playing contract is, in my view, out of the question

[D. Advocaat]

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It is sad way to end his time with us. In some respects the word “career” seems to be a bit of an exaggeration although literally correct. He only managed 40 or so games for us in his 3 spells. He was a marvellous player for both Arsenal and Wales and, much as we might love him to bits, you might argue his major contribution to CCFC was earning us £4m+ in a transfer fee in 2008 when we desperately needed it. Sadly, his final spell with us was a costly gamble that did not pay off. You would like to think that there was a coaching opportunity with us at the normal going rate within the Club Establishment but a playing contract is, in my view, out of the question

Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

[Rjk]

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Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

no, but he's a local lad who made it to the top - of course the fans will think fondly of him.

He's done more for us than Jude Bellingham did for Birmingham and they've retired his shirt number

[splott parker]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Thats's a fair and objective summary. A fantastic player for Arsenal and Wales but hardly a City legend in playing terms.

Didn’t fancy managing him then?