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[The Lone Gunman]

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What was Warnock to say? I am sorry FC Nantes but I cannot deal with Willie McKay, your appointed representative, because we believe he is not qualified even though EUFA and FIFA and the EFL are happy for the negotiations to carry on and will eventually confirm, as it turned out , that the transfer was completed validly. The employment of his two sons is a red herring. One of them turned out to be a decent player.

As regards Warnock's and the club's relationship with Willie McKay back in 2019, are you really this naive or are you pretending?

Also, which one of McKay's sons, who are currently 28 years of age, turned out to be a decent player? Is it Paul, who is currently playing for the Jersey Bulls in the Isthmian League South East Division, or Jack, who is currently playing for Doncaster City in the Northern Counties East League?

[The Lone Gunman]

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The settlement which the Club reached with its insurers was a result of the insurers’ negligence. This action was taken after the various governing bodies declared that Sala was a Cardiff City player. If it transpires that FC Nantes did indeed employ an unqualified agent, along apparently with two others, to complete the transfer could it not be construed as null and void and perhaps illegal?. In that case the punitive sanctions imposed on the club by the various governing bodies having jumped the gun as it were could also be declared illegal. In this case there could have been consequential losses suffered by the club.
Let’s say the tragic Sala transfer had been played out at let’s say Man City with the money involved say £100m. do you not think that FIFA would be shaking in its boots at the moment?

No.

[NYCBlue]

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“you cannot blame your entire season's results on the loss of one player, whoever he is”


The Toshack brigade still do !

Because Toshack actually played for us and his value was proven. When he left us us it was a big loss. He'd scored 8 goals in 16 appearances for City in the '70-'71 season before he went to Liverpool. There's no way of knowing if Sala would have a similar impact in 2019.

[NYCBlue]

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So you completely side with FC Nantes, a club already charged with criminal offences by the French Courts, a club using a bunch of crooks also charged by the French Courts, to try and stitch up the club I have supported since 1953. The disgrace lies plainly in the hands of FC Nantes, a club you will remember that refused to contribute anything to the fund set up for the Sala family.

No, I do not completely side with FC Nantes. However, as club you have supported since 1953 was perfectly happy with arrangements at the time, I don't think it's reasonable of anyone at Cardiff to sue for £104M. Do you?

[pomeroy]

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No.

The Mensa members of the other board are asking you to join them!!

[pomeroy]

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No, I do not completely side with FC Nantes. However, as club you have supported since 1953 was perfectly happy with arrangements at the time, I don't think it's reasonable of anyone at Cardiff to sue for £104M. Do you?

The club were not happy with the arrangements at the time because to use an Amazon analogy and putting aside sensitivity for a moment the goods purchased were not delivered. Almost immediately the various governing bodies sided with FC Nantes, imposed punitive sanctions on our club and ordered CCFC to pay the fee with the threat of more punitive sanctions being imposed. All this before the full facts of the tragedy that befell Sala were known. Do you think that FIFA would have been as quick with their sanctions if Man City
had been involved?.
I don’t know if £104m. is reasonable but this is partly resulting from the lunacy of the wealth endowed on the PL by the likes of Sky.
You must remember that the City were relegated by a very small margin and the consequential loss claimed has been worked out by experts with in depth experience in matters such as this and not just football. The finances of football in general could not be considered reasonable. We have recently had a scenario with a club £1.5billion in debt paying nearly £400m in transfer fees, is that reasonable?

[NYCBlue]

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The club were not happy with the arrangements at the time because to use an Amazon analogy and putting aside sensitivity for a moment the goods purchased were not delivered. Almost immediately the various governing bodies sided with FC Nantes, imposed punitive sanctions on our club and ordered CCFC to pay the fee with the threat of more punitive sanctions being imposed. All this before the full facts of the tragedy that befell Sala were known. Do you think that FIFA would have been as quick with their sanctions if Man City
had been involved?.
I don’t know if £104m. is reasonable but this is partly resulting from the lunacy of the wealth endowed on the PL by the likes of Sky.
You must remember that the City were relegated by a very small margin and the consequential loss claimed has been worked out by experts with in depth experience in matters such as this and not just football. The finances of football in general could not be considered reasonable. We have recently had a scenario with a club £1.5billion in debt paying nearly £400m in transfer fees, is that reasonable?

The problem is that there's no way of knowing that Sala would have changed anything. He could have got a season ending injury in his first game. He could have got run over by a bus. He could have got sent off. He could have not been happy at the club. There are all sorts of variables. I'm not a lawyer or a judge. It just seems like a really weak argument to me. And an unreasonable expectation.

[fugsyphil]

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The club were not happy with the arrangements at the time because to use an Amazon analogy and putting aside sensitivity for a moment the goods purchased were not delivered. Almost immediately the various governing bodies sided with FC Nantes, imposed punitive sanctions on our club and ordered CCFC to pay the fee with the threat of more punitive sanctions being imposed. All this before the full facts of the tragedy that befell Sala were known. Do you think that FIFA would have been as quick with their sanctions if Man City
had been involved?.
I don’t know if £104m. is reasonable but this is partly resulting from the lunacy of the wealth endowed on the PL by the likes of Sky.
You must remember that the City were relegated by a very small margin and the consequential loss claimed has been worked out by experts with in depth experience in matters such as this and not just football. The finances of football in general could not be considered reasonable. We have recently had a scenario with a club £1.5billion in debt paying nearly £400m in transfer fees, is that reasonable?

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks of it this way

[NYCBlue]

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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks of it this way

Sala was a Cardiff player. If he wanted to go back to France to tie up loose ends, the club could have refused or protected their asset by providing adequate care/transportation. If your Amazon package is delivered, it's on you to take care of the return.

[fugsyphil]

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Sala was a Cardiff player. If he wanted to go back to France to tie up loose ends, the club could have refused or protected their asset by providing adequate care/transportation. If your Amazon package is delivered, it's on you to take care of the return.

But it hadn't been it was at the sorting office at best

[NYCBlue]

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But it hadn't been it was at the sorting office at best

He signed for Cardiff in Cardiff. Same-day delivery.

[fugsyphil]

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He signed for Cardiff in Cardiff. Same-day delivery.

You are making that up though. He was still owed money by Nantes and had loose ends to tie up. Hence the Nantes agent ferrying him about. Sickening as the parcel analogy is we most certainly didn't receive what we were expecting

[NYCBlue]

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You are making that up though. He was still owed money by Nantes and had loose ends to tie up. Hence the Nantes agent ferrying him about. Sickening as the parcel analogy is we most certainly didn't receive what we were expecting

Making what up? He signed for us and then went back to France a Cardiff player. Are you saying we never actually signed him?

[pomeroy]

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The problem is that there's no way of knowing that Sala would have changed anything. He could have got a season ending injury in his first game. He could have got run over by a bus. He could have got sent off. He could have not been happy at the club. There are all sorts of variables. I'm not a lawyer or a judge. It just seems like a really weak argument to me. And an unreasonable expectation.

Exactly, you say you are not a lawyer or a judge and that is why these professionals are hearing the case. Experts in statistics and probability appear in courts everywhere on a regular basis and lots of things we buy like insurances have premiums determined by them.
The CCFC legal team have employed such experts and they have come up with a figure in excess of £100m. It is up to the judges to eventually determine what is a reasonable figure. The bigger the figure the more I hope will be donated to the Sala family trust, a fund by the way ignored by the EFL, FIFA and the PFA.
It seems that, for whatever reason you have, you want our club to lose the case!

[NYCBlue]

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Exactly, you say you are not a lawyer or a judge and that is why these professionals are hearing the case. Experts in statistics and probability appear in courts everywhere on a regular basis and lots of things we buy like insurances have premiums determined by them.
The CCFC legal team have employed such experts and they have come up with a figure in excess of £100m. It is up to the judges to eventually determine what is a reasonable figure. The bigger the figure the more I hope will be donated to the Sala family trust, a fund by the way ignored by the EFL, FIFA and the PFA.
It seems that, for whatever reason you have, you want our club to lose the case!

I do. I think extorting £100m from a tragedy which Cardiff did nothing to avoid is wrong. If Vincent Tan wants more money to go to the Sala family trust, he's free to donate some of his own. As are you.