Sala case

[splott parker]

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It’d be interesting if anybody gets the chance to have a chat with any Donny fans on Saturday. Whether he still is or not, Willie McKay was heavily involved with Doncaster City FC. I wonder what Rovers’ fans view of him is?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Probably don’t need to work after pocketing a million each for that fateful transfer…..no history of being agents but still got a life changing sum didn’t they?

Jack and Paul didn't.

[The Lone Gunman]

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It’d be interesting if anybody gets the chance to have a chat with any Donny fans on Saturday. Whether he still is or not, Willie McKay was heavily involved with Doncaster City FC. I wonder what Rovers’ fans view of him is?

It was Doncaster Rovers he was heavily involved with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McKay

[goats]

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Jack and Paul didn't.

Oh, yiu mean daddy got it? Surely not, as he wasn’t allowed to work as an agent…..basically, he’s cooked! Dare I say it but I now think Tan is going to win this, even Salas mum has seen the light hey

[Former Labour leader]

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Oh, yiu mean daddy got it? Surely not, as he wasn’t allowed to work as an agent…..basically, he’s cooked! Dare I say it but I now think Tan is going to win this, even Salas mum has seen the light hey

I agree Tan is going to win, all in question it seems is amount of compensation.

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

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Correction: the banned agent had apparently used this plane operator before to ferry club employees over to France and back.

Incidentally, a couple of days ago I watched an interview with Warnock from the time of the tragedy in which he suggested he'd been talking to Sala and in negotiations to sign him for eight weeks prior to the accident. Interesting that no objections seem to have been raised by the club about Nantes' choice of agents during that period. I wonder why?

But why would Cardiff City object to Nantes having intermediaries involved in the transfer? If their fee was coming out of Nantes' pocket, and said intermediaries did not cause harm to any CCFC staff, why would they need to get involved? It's unlikely that they knew the degree to which Nantes' agent's were exposing members of their staff to risk. There's nothing wrong with taking a private plane for travel, per se. Even if the club signed off on Warnock being shown a player by an intermediary, who had offered to pay the costs, the worst thing that you could accuse the club of would be not doing a sufficient RAMS - that is, even if the problem with the plane existed at the time that Warnock used it...

[The Lone Gunman]

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But why would Cardiff City object to Nantes having intermediaries involved in the transfer? If their fee was coming out of Nantes' pocket, and said intermediaries did not cause harm to any CCFC staff, why would they need to get involved? It's unlikely that they knew the degree to which Nantes' agent's were exposing members of their staff to risk. There's nothing wrong with taking a private plane for travel, per se. Even if the club signed off on Warnock being shown a player by an intermediary, who had offered to pay the costs, the worst thing that you could accuse the club of would be not doing a sufficient RAMS - that is, even if the problem with the plane existed at the time that Warnock used it...

Tomorrow, Nantes’ commercial court will finally hear the substance of Cardiff City Football Club’s case against FC Nantes. We want FC Nantes to be held accountable for the faults committed by Willie McKay, FC Nantes’ true agent.

This tragedy, which began nearly seven years ago, cost Emiliano Sala his life. It is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided, had the people involved in the transfer on FC Nantes’ side not relied on the services of a banned agent, who went on to organise illegal flights to get the deal done.

On the eve of the hearing, however, there is hope. The hearing marks another step towards uncovering the truth and establishing more accountability in football.

This case isn’t about harming football: it’s about protecting its integrity. This is about ensuring higher standards across our sport, especially surrounding transfers.

Because Emiliano Sala deserved better. Because football deserves better.

[NinianKnight]

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Correction: the banned agent had apparently used this plane operator before to ferry club employees over to France and back.

Incidentally, a couple of days ago I watched an interview with Warnock from the time of the tragedy in which he suggested he'd been talking to Sala and in negotiations to sign him for eight weeks prior to the accident. Interesting that no objections seem to have been raised by the club about Nantes' choice of agents during that period. I wonder why?

From what I remember Willie McKay was banned at that time but he got around this by working as an employee for his son's sport's agency and was helping with his contacts in France.

So CCFC never dealt with a 'banned' agent they dealt with an agency who employed McKay as a facilitator.

Under vicarious liability a trail is formed for responsibility. McKay's negligence becomes the agencies responsibility but as they were contracted by Nantes then ultimately they are responsible.

You can throw in red herrings like McKay's son doing translating duties, Warnock speaking with Sala, previous trips in the plane but they make no difference.

McKay was an indirect contracted representative of Nantes FC and he was negligent in arranging a dangerous flight which killed Sala and the pilot. CCFC were damaged financially and are perfectly entitled to be compensated.

[splott parker]

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It was Doncaster Rovers he was heavily involved with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_McKay

He formed Doncaster City FC in 2022.

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

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Tomorrow, Nantes’ commercial court will finally hear the substance of Cardiff City Football Club’s case against FC Nantes. We want FC Nantes to be held accountable for the faults committed by Willie McKay, FC Nantes’ true agent.

This tragedy, which began nearly seven years ago, cost Emiliano Sala his life. It is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided, had the people involved in the transfer on FC Nantes’ side not relied on the services of a banned agent, who went on to organise illegal flights to get the deal done.

On the eve of the hearing, however, there is hope. The hearing marks another step towards uncovering the truth and establishing more accountability in football.

This case isn’t about harming football: it’s about protecting its integrity. This is about ensuring higher standards across our sport, especially surrounding transfers.

Because Emiliano Sala deserved better. Because football deserves better.

There is conspiracy everywhere if you're willing to look for it.

Like most conspiracies, you have answered none of my questions.

[The Lone Gunman]

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He formed Doncaster City FC in 2022.

So he did!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doncaster_City_F.C.

I believed Doncaster City had been going for decades. I think I was confusing them with Oxford City. I wonder why Willie McKay formed his own football club in 2022? Perhaps it was to give to his superstar sons a place to play.

:hehe:

[The Lone Gunman]

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There is conspiracy everywhere if you're willing to look for it.

What a strange response. What is this conspiracy you're referring to?

You seem to believe Willie McKay was acting as an intermediary. Cardiff City Football Club seems to believe he was FC Nantes' true agent while at the same time being a banned agent. The club has been in court this week maintaining that position. So who should I believe? You or the club?

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

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What a strange response. What is this conspiracy you're referring to?

You seem to believe Willie McKay was acting as an intermediary. Cardiff City Football Club seems to believe he was FC Nantes' true agent while at the same time being a banned agent. The club has been in court this week maintaining that position. So who should I believe? You or the club?

All the way through this discussion, I've been trying to work out specifically what your issue is with the club's actions. I should point out that I mean that sincerely, and am looking for a balanced argument as to what legitimate criticism could be levelled at the club - I've looked into it a little bit, but can't see why there is so much outrage at the position they are taking.

Several times, I've asked you to clarify your apparent outrage, only to be met with a jibe about my question not being serious, some inference that you are publicly known to the club and might be targeted if you were to speak against them (I don't know you or your situation, but I can see why you might think people have a problem with you so fair enough), a few red herrings as called out by another poster, and also some passive aggressive emboldening of text (if you reread the quote in my response, you'll find two can play at that particular game). So, to answer your question on conspiracy, I was referring to both your apparent position that the club has done something heinous that you are unable to say in public, and to my little coded message.

As for your latest point, could you distinguish the difference between your use of the term agent and intermediary before I respond please? We may be speaking at cross purposes. Either way - does the link below help?

https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/item/fifa-s-new-regulations-on-working-with-intermediaries-explained-entry-c

[The Lone Gunman]

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I'll give you a full response in due course but, for a variety of reasons, I want to ensure I word it as carefully as possible before posting it, as I do not have the shield of anonymity.

I'm also currently reading the full Court of Arbitration for Sport Arbitral Award. There are 81 pages of it and the first couple have already provided some interesting information I wasn't aware of, so I'd like to fully digest that before replying.

[Mr Ducie]

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I'll give you a full response in due course but, for a variety of reasons, I want to :thumbup:ensure I word it as carefully as possible before posting it, as I do not have the shield of anonymity.

I'm also currently reading the full Court of Arbitration for Sport Arbitral Award. There are 81 pages of it and first couple have already provided some interesting information I wasn't aware of, so I'd like to fully digest that before replying.

I bet you will be devastated if Tan wins this case.